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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesar View Post
    Tako je ali toku je geopoliticki reset koji je vec godinama unazad trebao da se desi. Imacemo da bloka i ostru podjelu. Kina ce da uzme svoje i tako… Imacemo novu stvarnost. Mi tu mozda i prodjemo ok sa prozapadnom orjentacijom i blagim pravoslanim flertom sa Rusijom.


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    Rusija ce po svemu sudeci zavrsiti sa Evropom posle ovoga na jedan duzi neodredjen period, narocito ako Putin ne padne. Mada, kako ce Evropa suzbiti ruski uticaj u Srbiji, RS i CG je veliko pitanje. Vucic je tu kljucna figura, EU ce ga verovatno pustiti dok ne prodju izbori pa ce ga onda maksimalno pritisnuti da napravi drasticni zaokret prema Rusiji. Ako EU ne bude po pravilu popustljiva i bas ga pritegne a Rusija ne normalizuje odnos sa Zapadom, Vucic ce po tom pitanju morati na napravi konkretne poteze mada ce gledati da kilavi sto je vise moguce. Samo sto se nece Rusi odreci ovih prostora tek tako i sigurno ce preko Kine gledati da i dalje vuku konce. Kineski uticaj je vec sada izuzetno jak u Srbiji i Vucic je za manje od dve godine agresivnom medijskom kampanjom njih podigao na gotovo isti nivo obozavanja na kojem je Rusija. Kina takodje nece nikada ovoliko pogorsati odnose sa Zapadom, ne verujem cak ni da ce pokusati da okupiraju Tajvan iako su mnogi ubedjeni u to. Njih zanima ekonomska dominacija i kako da te uvuku u duznicko ropstvo a ne ratne igre. Srbija ce i to vrlo brzo zavrsiti kao kineska kolonija, narocito kada se potpise sporazum o slobodnoj trgovini sa Kinom sto je cak i EU aminovala. Zvuci cudno, ali cini mi se da Zapad svesno prepusta Srbiju Kini. Sigurno im je dobro poznato koliko je jaka mrznja velike vecine Srba prema Zapadu i da u Srbima nikada nece imati pouzdane saveznike a da to pokusaju da promene morali bi da uloze decenije jer srpski prezir prema Zapadu je dosta stariji od 90-ih. Jednostavnije im je da barem drasticno suzbiju ruski uticaj kako bi ako nista drugo barem otklonili rizik od novih sukoba. EU je cak poslala dodatne trupe u Bosnu jer se boje da bi Rusi mogli da potpale Dodika da napravi neko sr.nje. Ne bi me zacudilo da Zapad i Kina imaju dogovor oko Srbije da Srbija bude kineska kolonija ali da zauzvrat Kina ne koristi Srbiju da destabilizuje BiH, CG i Kosovo. Bitno je i to sto izmedju Srbije i Kine ne postoji ta slovenska i narocito pravoslavna veza posto ovde religija i nacionalizam idu ruku pod ruku. Zapad i Kina i pored svih ispaljenih otrovnih strelica su previse ekonomski povezani da bi se tu nesto ozbiljnije zavadjivali, Zapad i sa Rusijom i dalje kalkulise sa sankcijama i okleva da se skine sa ruskog gasa i nafte. A narocito cisto sumnjam da bi se Kina odrekla zapadnog trzista zbog Rusije koja ce sada svakako biti u jako podredjenom polozaju prema Kini.
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    Poprilicno naivno. Kako se razvija, tako su joj potrebni resursi i trziste. Kompletna podsaharska afrika je manje vise njihova zona. Ili ce te drzave prerasti zapadne sfere, pa ce doci do sukoba, ili ce krenuti na zapadne interesne zone.
    Isto je i sa azijom, a zadnje vrijeme i Juznom Amerikom.
    Vecina US analiticara smatra da se mora ograniciti uticaj i predlazu agresivnije poteze prema Kini, ali eto ti vidis da ce Kina kad udari u zid, a kad tad hoce, da stane i kaze "ok dobro".
    A koliko ce Srbija da bude kineski trojanski konj u evropi, pa i to ce se brzo pokazati.

    Ne bih ja to nista diro

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    SMRT FAŠIZMU!

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    Russian President Vladimir Putin is “determined to dominate and control Ukraine” and went to war based on a set of assumptions that led him to believe Russia would have a favorable outcome, CIA Director Bill Burns testified Tuesday.
    Putin believed several assumptions about use of force, including the belief that Ukraine was weak and easily intimidated. Second, Putin believed that Europeans, especially the French and Germans, were distracted and risk-averse.
    Third, he believed he had “sanctions-proofed” his economy and created a large war chest to foreign currency reserves.
    And fourth, he was confident that he had modernized his military and they were capable of a quick decisive victory at minimal cost.


    Asked about what it would take for Putin to change his calculus in Ukraine, Burns offered a sober assessment, saying that “this is a matter of deep personal conviction for him.”
    Putin has “been stewing in a combustible combination of grievance and ambition for many years,” he said, adding that the Russian president has created a system in which his own circle of advisers is “narrower and narrower.”
    The global Covid-19 pandemic has also made his circle even smaller, Burns said during a House Intelligence Committee hearing on worldwide threats.
    Burns later predicted an "ugly next few weeks" with "scant regard for civilian casualties," given Russia is unlikely to be able to install a puppet regime or pro-Russian leadership in the face of opposition from the Ukrainian people.
    "The Ukrainians are going to continue to resist fiercely and effectively," he added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Poprilicno naivno. Kako se razvija, tako su joj potrebni resursi i trziste. Kompletna podsaharska afrika je manje vise njihova zona. Ili ce te drzave prerasti zapadne sfere, pa ce doci do sukoba, ili ce krenuti na zapadne interesne zone.
    Isto je i sa azijom, a zadnje vrijeme i Juznom Amerikom.
    Vecina US analiticara smatra da se mora ograniciti uticaj i predlazu agresivnije poteze prema Kini, ali eto ti vidis da ce Kina kad udari u zid, a kad tad hoce, da stane i kaze "ok dobro".
    A koliko ce Srbija da bude kineski trojanski konj u evropi, pa i to ce se brzo pokazati.

    Ne bih ja to nista diro
    Čitah neka predviđanja, Kina kao div istoka, Amerika zapada.. Južna Amerika će vjerovatno u budućnosti formirati neku zajednicu po uzoru na EU, tako da će i tu biti interesna zona na globalnom nivou.. Budućnost se vezuje za nalazišta minerala/energenata za tehnologije, baterije, kvantne kompjutere i slično..
    Kinezi imaju plan da nadmaše sve do 2050. i da postanu lider u tim oblastima, uključujući napredno naoružanje (ono koje može da koristi AI) itd..
    Ako sad usisaju Rusiju, to je to, nisu više plavi vs. Moskovski crveni nego plavi vs. Pekinški crveni a igrarije po svijetu će dobiti novu dinamiku..
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    Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry (March 8, 2022)

    ▪ The grouping of troops of Lugansk People's Republic, continuing offensive operations, took control of Borsonino, Kremennaya, Peschannoye, Varvarovka, Pshenichnoye, Epifanovka, Novodruzhesk, Belogorovka. The advance was 9 kilometers.

    ▪ The units of the People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic took control over Osaviakhim block in Mariupol.

    ▪ Over the past 24 hours, bomber and attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed 158 military facilities on the territory of Ukraine.

    On March 7, high-precision long-range weapons disabled Ozernoe airfield of the Air Force of Ukraine near Zhytomyr.

    ✈ 💥 Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down 2 MiG-29s and 1 Su-27 of the Ukrainian Air Force in the air.

    Also disabled: 2 Ukrainian divisions of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system, 3 Buk M-1 self-propelled mounts, 4 command posts, 2 radar stations, 9 ammunition depots and 11 areas of concentration of equipment and military hardware.

    ▪ In total, 2,482 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

    💥 Among them: 87 command posts and communication centres of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, 124 S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as 79 radar stations.

    💥 Destroyed: 866 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 91 multiple rocket launch systems, 317 field artillery and mortars, 634 units of special military vehicles, 81 unmanned aerial vehicles.

    ❗In order to safely evacuate civilians from settlements today, from 10:00 a.m. Moscow time, cease-fire is established and humanitarian corridors from Kiev, Chernigov, Sumy, Kharkov and Mariupol are opened.
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    update, evo jedne zanimljive informacije, vjerovatno je ovo najbliža procjena

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    Between 2,00 and 4,000 Russian troops have been killed in the invasion of Ukraine, the head of the CIA William Burns has said, Reuters reports.

    The veteran diplomat, a former US ambassador to Moscow, also said the US had done “intensive intelligence sharing” with Ukraine, including details of Russian military planning and continued to do so daily.
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    Eo rusi poceli sa simbolima i uzvicnicima da pisu izvjestaje ka Demokrate
    Samo ti...
    U mome srcu si...
    Jedna jedina, nepobjediva -
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    Quote Originally Posted by outline View Post
    update, evo jedne zanimljive informacije, vjerovatno je ovo najbliža procjena

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    Between 2,00 and 4,000 Russian troops have been killed in the invasion of Ukraine, the head of the CIA William Burns has said, Reuters reports.

    The veteran diplomat, a former US ambassador to Moscow, also said the US had done “intensive intelligence sharing” with Ukraine, including details of Russian military planning and continued to do so daily.
    Mislim da je viša od toga, Rusi procjenjuju oko 800+ uništenih oklopnih vozila Ukrajinaca, ne računaju svoje gubitke vozila koje su Ukrajinci preuzeli i ubačili u sistem..
    Dalje, malo informacija Rusi daju o sopstvenim žrtvama, tu nisu ni uračunati zarobljenici ili dezerteri a potvrđeno je x primjera i jednih i drugih.. Liše one žene što je u Dumi rekla da je u jedinici od 100 regruta preteklo samo 4, niko javno ni ne pokušava da licitira sa ciframa..
    Sa druge strane imamo masu snimaka Ruskih gubitaka ali malo ili nimalo sopstvenih (UKR) gubitaka, koji postoje..
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    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...ZkY7IflXw&s=19

    Evo ovo recimo.. Jer masu vozila su ostavili sa minimalnim oštećenjima ili su prosto ostali bez goriva ili su se zaglavili..
    3 pancira (potvrđena) svaki vrijedan oko 15mil a mislim da su sva tri u operativnom stanju.. A te podatke Rusi ne računaju..
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    Koliko Ukrajina ima tenkova kad ovi vele da su ih 866 unistili? Razumijem da ih Rusija ima hiljada i hiljada, ali Ukr? Plus i Ukr vele da su i oni bas neku veliku cifru tenkova unistili. Pretvorise citavu zemlju u deponiju jbt.
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    Last edited by .Bole; 08-03-22 at 17:01.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avet View Post
    Koliko Ukrajina ima tenkova kad ovi vele da su ih 866 unistili? Razumijem da ih Rusija ima hiljada i hiljada, ali Ukr? Plus i Ukr vele da su i oni bas neku veliku cifru tenkova unistili. Pretvorise citavu zemlju u deponiju jbt.
    Oko 2000 tenkova i oklopnih transportera, izvještaj Rusa se odnosi na ukupnu brojku, ne računaju samo tenkove..
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Bole View Post


    Ako je tacno, kakav profi potez Zellya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avet View Post
    Koliko Ukrajina ima tenkova kad ovi vele da su ih 866 unistili? Razumijem da ih Rusija ima hiljada i hiljada, ali Ukr? Plus i Ukr vele da su i oni bas neku veliku cifru tenkova unistili. Pretvorise citavu zemlju u deponiju jbt.
    Cijena čelika svaki dan skače tako da će imati koristi od tenkova

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    Nastavlja se kampanja unistavanja gradova, harkov je unisten i ide ka tome da zavrsi kao gradovi koje je rusija bombardovala u Siriji



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    Quote Originally Posted by wulfy View Post
    Većina ih je ,,dobrostojećih" tako da još uvjek nemamo ,,izbjegličku krizu". Samim tim nemaju svi status izbjeglica (nisu zvanično tražili taj status), a podatak je na osnovu prometa na granici u zadnjih nekoliko dana i prijave boravka.

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    Nego ako je Tajvan neprijateljska zemlja za Rusiju, da li to znači da su im i Kinezi neprijatelji, jer Tajvan je srce Kine?
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    E kolko ima ovih ruskih placenika, pocev od srpskih neki novinara, do britanskih, americkih itd. Svi idu na ovaj jug uz ove iz donbasa i salju reportaze
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd View Post
    Nego ako je Tajvan neprijateljska zemlja za Rusiju, da li to znači da su im i Kinezi neprijatelji, jer Tajvan je srce Kine?
    Da li je Rusija priznala Tajvan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wulfy View Post
    Da li je Rusija priznala Tajvan?

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    Nope, mada kad su ih naveli da li to znači da su ih ujedno i priznali?
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    Ovaj rat pokazuje da odbrambene tehnologije ne pomazu qurcu, kad se buši ovoliki broj letjelica i tenkova svakodnevno.
    Не бојим се вражјега кота, нека га је ка' на гори листа, но се бојим од зла домаћега!

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