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    ne u stvari odlicno je sto je nastavio karijeru ovako, cisto da se razbije taj mit
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    ne u stvari odlicno je sto je nastavio karijeru ovako, cisto da se razbije taj mit
    imash i pravo tad je ima superioran bolid,da ga nije imao ko zna dje bi i shta bi bio(evo se sad iz prilozenog vidi kad ga nema dje je)!!!

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    jeli moguce da je shunjo tolika truba bio i prije al ga je bolid izvlacio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by milorad krusica View Post
    jeli moguce da je shunjo tolika truba bio i prije al ga je bolid izvlacio?
    pa evo ti sad izvuci zakljucak,ne treba ti mnogo pameti da sam vidish...

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    cudo je bolid shto jes jes,ali je nevidjeno glup bio kad se vratio,al neka ispliva istina kad tad!!!

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    sve to dodje na svoje prijatelju moj,otkriju se ljudi sami jer im guzice zijevaju vishe no shto im je majka priroda omogucila...

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    nije jedini

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    ako te ne zanima i ako se u nesto ne razumijes onda nemoj da mlatis o tome, jer to vrijedja one koji prate moto-sport a i te vozace tamo takodje koji nisu pussies kao F1 vozaci nego voze na 2 tocka po ovakvoj kisi bez problema, znam ja odlicno kakav mi je rjecnik malo sam stariji member od tebe <img src="images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" smilieid="4" class="inlineimg"><br>
    Ako su ti F1 vozaci "pussies"-onda "lupetas" u pogresnoj temi.
    Sto se Schumachera tice-zanemarite sve,ali sve sto je uradio,samo obratite paznju na ove djelove dje nije imao superioran bolid:
    Poslednja trka u Ferrariju-Interlagos 2006.Zbog problema sa pumpom goriva krece sa neke "snj" pozicije,nabada ih sve redom,stize do Fizikele,"steka" mu bolid,i Fizikela odmice i jos par vozaca ga pretice.Opet ih sustize,pretice Fizikelu koji mu prednjim krilom cijepa gumu.Legendarni vozi cijeli krug probusene gume,pazi-cijeli krug u Interlagosu-koliko je to izgubljenog vremena,svi ga opet preticu,ulazi neplanirano u boks,mijenja gume i akcija pocinje.Izlazi iz boksa 18-ti i opet nabada jednog po jednog,stize Fizikelu,pretice ga u istoj krivini gdje mu je ovaj prethodno probusio gumu.Publika na stazi je u delirijumu,reziser prati samo njega,ali on se ne zaustavlja
    .7. krugova pred kraj bori se za 4-o mjesto sa Rikonenom koji vec ima potpisan ugovor za narednu sezonu kao zamjena za Schumachera!!!
    U Senna S krivini pokusava da pretekne Raikonena sa unutrasnje strane.Schumacheru je tjeme krivine blize,mora ranije da koci,Raikonen ga zatvara,i obojica se vracaju na desnu stranu kako bi imali idealan ulazak u krivinu.
    6-ti krug prije kraja,opet pokusaj,Raikonen ga zatvara i obojica se vracaju desno.
    5-ti krug prije kraja pokusaj,Raikonen ga zatvara i obojica se vracaju desno.
    4-ti krug prije kraja:Opet pokusaj,Raikonen ga zatvara i vraca se desno,ali ludak se ne vraca,vozi po prasnjavom dijelu,na 20cm od zida gdje staza ima kontra nagib,tjeme krivine mu je blize-uspijeva da zakoci na vrijeme i pretice Raikonena.
    Jedino ako je bolid imao egg-s umjesto njega pa je kocio i upravljao.
    Da ne spominjem odbranu pozicije od Hamiltona u Monzi-ipak je ono bio klasicni cas voznje od strane strucnjaka nazvan-oldshcool madafaka...
    Last edited by M.S.; 28-03-12 at 22:12.

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    odbrana u Monzi je bolja od te voznje, ta voznja je klasican prikaz bolida 2s brzeg od ostalih.. pa pogledaj kako je Massa vozio tu trku a pogledaj Massu dje je danas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    odbrana u Monzi je bolja od te voznje, ta voznja je klasican prikaz bolida 2s brzeg od ostalih.. pa pogledaj kako je Massa vozio tu trku a pogledaj Massu dje je danas...
    A ne zezaj brate.
    Da je bio los bolid ne bi ih mogao stizati,to je cinjenica,ali je on na pola trke bio 18-ti.
    Ja bih na njegovom mjestu izasao iz bolida,poslao sve u k. jer je situacija bukvalno beznadezna.
    A on ne,nego ih je sve stigao i zavrsio u istom krugu u kom i pobjednik.
    Da je do bolida,Massa koji je startovao sa pol-a,sve od 4-og mjesta (dakle od Schumachera) pa navise ostavio bi za cijeli krug,pogotovo sto je imao cistu stazu ispred sebe i vozio je bez ikakvih pehova.

    Inace,primijetio sam da se u temi najvise prica o M.S.-u, Fabia/Petronas ce biti zadovoljan

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    taj auto je bio superioran, Alonsov Renol je izgledao smijesno pri njemu zadnjih nekoliko trka...
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    Apsolutno sam zadovoljan, ako tako nastavis pocet cemo da ti daljemo platu

    NSX, i sam znas da taj auto nije bio superioran, sto se vidjelo iz aviona.

    Pazi, onda kako je drzao Butka u Barselonu 2010, sa najvecom KANTOM od bolida. Pa to moze samo KAISER !!
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    na stazi na kojoj je izuzetno tesko preticanje
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    Ili ti je krivo sto je tvoje Dugme u pitanju?
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    nije mi krivo
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    odbrana u Monzi je bolja od te voznje, ta voznja je klasican prikaz bolida 2s brzeg od ostalih.. pa pogledaj kako je Massa vozio tu trku a pogledaj Massu dje je danas...
    Nijesu u pravu. Massa se ugasio poslije otvaranja glave,a i ovaj start sezone ne mora nista da znaci, posto je momak poznat kao vozac koji ne umije da vozi po kisi, isto kao i Raikkonen. Zato su Shumi,Alonso i Vettel u neprevazidjeni.

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    pa na prvoj trci nije bilo kise, prosle sezone takodje nije bilo kisnih trka..poenta je u tome da je zadnje 3-4 godine dosta teze vozit auto nego prije, prije je prijanjanje bilo mnogo bolje i gume su duze trajale dovoljno je bilo poklopit gas i popamtit tacke kocenja..tu je Massa bio neprevazidjen kad krene sa pol pozicije
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    Prosle godine je bilo dosta kisnih trka.
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    Ajmo malo mehanike.... Na ovom forumu definitivno fali tehnickih detalja, ali sem Fabie i Masse niko to ne postuje...

    Glavna tema ove godine, PUSH vs PULL rod...


    PUSH ROD izgleda ovako, to vjerovatno vecina zna..

    ""Most teams use a push-rod suspension system similar to that shown in the first illustration at the front of their cars.
    The suspension arm, coloured blue, connects from the lower part of the wheel upright to a rocker located in the top-part of the chassis. The rocker connects the push-rod to a torsion bar and damper which manages ‘bump’ – i.e. the up and down movement of a wheel. The torsion bar is basically a spring but is twisted rather than compressed.
    In addition there is an anti-roll bar which links the suspension across the chassis to control the degree of roll. This redistributes weight to the inside tyre, which helps traction. If you make the bar too stiff then when one wheel goes into bump the other follows and the car feels very unstable.
    The final components are the inerter and heave spring. The heave spring manages vertical movement – i.e., when both wheels rise or fall together. Lastly the inter is a very subtle component and is tuned to the natural frequency of the tyres and translates the oscillating motion of the rubber into rotational energy – it is a spinning mass on a threaded bar – again to improve traction.
    Of course, not all the bump absorption takes place in the suspension: Wheel rubber flex accounts for around 30% of this total movement in an F1 car.""



    A PULL rod

    ""The next illustration shows a pull-rod set-up. The components and function are the same.
    There are two differences: the suspension arm is connected from the top of the upright to the bottom of the chassis, and the internal components are lower in the chassis.
    This set-up has two advantages over the push-rod. By placing the suspension components closer to the ground the centre of gravity is lower. Also the suspension arm is better able to condition airflow from the front wing towards the sidepod so in theory there is a small aerodynamic gain.
    However, the chassis shape is constrained by FIA guidelines so the aero gain is not as great as it is when pull-rod suspension is used at the rear of the car.
    There are two main disadvantages to front pull-rod suspension. One is that the the upper wishbone must transmit more load, some of which would otherwise have been carried by the push-rod. This means the chassis and wishbone needs to be strengthened – see the yellow circle. This adds weight and negates somewhat the CoG gain.
    The second disadvantage is it takes longer tune a pull-rod. This is important given the limited testing time in F1 today. Teams need to rapidly tune spring and damper settings and if the components are hidden away this is trickier and potentially reduces valuable track time.""




    Pa kad uporedite....




    By connecting the push-rod to the wheel upright the driver can use steering angle to affect the suspension. Under steering the natural movement of the push-rod reduce load transfer across the chassis and effectively allows a softer set-up.
    The opposite happens with a front pull-rod so it is connected to the wishbone rather than the upright to counter this effect. Hence all else being equal you need to run a stiffer suspension set-up which compromises mechanical grip.
    In short, Anderson’s assertion is that the pull-rod also has mechanical compromises that more than offset the (small) aero gains.
    Without having access to a dynamo data and proper car models, quantifying the effect is difficult. But the logic appears sound. There is no doubt that when Red Bull introduced the rear pull-rod with success teams will have evaluated a front pull-rod set-up as well. That only one team has adopted it suggests if there is a gain it likely is not worth the hassle.


    What’s next for Ferrari?

    Will Ferrari make the switch back to push-rod this year? Personally I don’t think so as it would be a massive admission of failure and the gain either way is minimal.


    More likely is a switch back to push-rod for the 2013 car, unless the aero gains become more apparent in the re-design. Ferrari’s win in Malaysia makes things a little more interesting as the supposed mechanically disadvantaged pull-rod should not in theory yield benefit on a slippery surface.


    However, the story of Ferrari’s victory (notwithstanding the tremendous efforts of Fernando Alonso) is in its ability to switch on the tyres in damp conditions better that its competitors, something which the Sauber appears even more adept at.


    Their decision may be influenced by a desire to accommodate a Mercedes-style DRS-activated F-duct. Or that might serve as a useful excuse for abandoning the pull-rod set-up at the front of the car.


    Ferrari are pinning their hopes on their May upgrade. Even if the updated packages works the Scuderia will struggle to catch up with McLaren and Red Bull as those teams have three months of experience in optimising the 2012 package and Ferrari will be starting from scratch.


    Already the scene is set for a fascinating three days of testing in Ferrari’s backyard at Mugello in two months’ time.






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    Rekao sam ja odmah, Ferrari se zajebao sa vjesanjem i cao.
    I tako je.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabia_Elegance! View Post
    Rekao sam ja odmah, Ferrari se zajebao sa vjesanjem i cao.
    I tako je.
    Oce oni da ispanu pametniji od ostalih.
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    Tako je E_K_V


    A sreća pa su pojedini ovih godina sve pogađali. Očekujem isti % pogodaka i ove godine.
    Loše stvari dolaze u paketu, za dobre stvari treba vremena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.S. View Post
    Imola je bila u pitanju,Ralf nije vozio,a on je vozio sa crnom trakom oko ruke i pobjedu je posvetio majci prije nego je trka i pocela-posle pobijedio naravno...
    Sjecam se te trke jer sam je gledao uzivo (moja prva live F1 trka).
    Nije tacno da Ralf nije vozio... vozio je i on i zavrsio 4.
    Release Yourself

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    Onda sam nesto permutovao...
    Inace,steta sto nema vise Imole,A1 ringa,starog Hockenheim-a,sto se F1 ne vozi na Nordslaife itd,itd.
    Znam da su neke uske za preticanje bolida sa danasnjim performansama,neke imaju male zone izlijetanja itd,itd,ali su bile oldschool i imale su mnogo vise harizme nego ove danasnje po Kini,Indiji itd,itd...

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    stara skola, tj stre staze...svaka je neuporedivo bolja od ovih sad tipa valensija, singapur i slicne "gradske staze"...nema mi nista mucnije nego gledat tako nesto...dosa je bio Monako, a sad ihi ma jos nekoliko...

    zna se sto su staze, imola, spa, a1, monza, stari hokenhajm ,nirburgring, manjikur, montreal....

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