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    skocice i struja jos vise.....jos kad nasi naprave ove centralice.....

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    kod nas jedino shto moze da pane je racku

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    to ce nam padat sve vise i vise....

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    refresh za dobar sistem.

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    Mazda iStop


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    i na vw jw dobar,vjeruj mi.

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    Jasno, ne radi se o revolucionarnoj ideji.. Današnje pitanje je pitanje kvaliteta i pouzdanosti. Stim što mogućnost potpunog isključenja treba da bude prisutna (u nekim autima se samo isključuje po vožnji, jer je autimatski aktivno svaki put kad se upali auto), jer može da bude iritantno i nepotrebno za pojedince....

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    ja imam dugme pored mjenjaca i mogu ga iskljucit i ukljucit po svojoj volji.mada se ne pali kad je klima upaljena recimo.

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    Mogu i ja isključiti, ali svaki put kad upalim motor opet se uključuje. meni je to ok. Sa druge strane, kad je aktivan iStop, sve što mi je radilo u autu: muzika, klima, podizači, svjetla... nastavlja da radi bez problema, stim što sistem pokreće motor nedozvoljavajući da bilo koji potrošač potroši akumulator. To dalje znači da ako je aktivna klima iStop na Mazdi može da bude aktivan minut-dva, bez klime 3-5min.... Ovo je moje moje iskustvo..

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    pazi jedan normalan dizel (pod normalan mislim solidne kubikaze ne 5000ccm) trosi na 1h rada u leru nekih 0.7-0.8L sto znaci da cio dan da se vosis kroz grad i sve na svaki da stajes ne mozes ustedjet vise od 200-300gr goriva... e sad jel sistem ok jeste, ali isto tako utice na vijek trajanja akumulatora i ostalih djelova



    ps. i po meni je masu bolja fora gasenje cilindara, i fora sto sam skoro citao ne znam koji je terenac bio, motor je V8 , pri laganoj voznji i gradskoj rade samo 4 cilindra , a pri jacoj pali druga 4 cilindra. Sto se tice potrosnje to je predobra stvar
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    DOD je odlicna stvar, to imaju i V6 motori.
    Start Stop je OK za neke gradske automobile kojima je svaki gram bitan, ali imati to u Porsche Panameru V8 biturbo...LOL.
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    i meni sve radi normalno sa tim ako sam duze na start-stop-u,a klima radi,poslije 20-sec,ce upalit automatski motor,jer mu treba zbog klime.ostalo sve radi normalno,svijetla,muzika,itd.

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    S63 amg novi ima to hahahaa


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    Ovo što fabia kaže. OK je to na malo auto tipa yarisa kojem to može tipa 10% da uštedi goriva, ali na auto koje ima 4+ hiljada kubika se to ugradjuje da bi ispunio neke co2 i Euro norme, da bi proizvođač platio manje na te licence i propise EU a i ostatka svijeta.

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    Pa korisnije je na 63amg no na 2.0dizel. Ovaj amg na 1h trosi 5l a ovaj 2.0 0.7 l hahahahhha tako da u vece kubikaze je korisnije no na jarisa i sl


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    To je ok, ali ako kupis auto od 150hiljada eura isto ti je trosi li 10 ili 30 litara.

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    To kod njih nije (samo) zbog para, vec jednako zbog zagadjivanja, ponegdje primarno zbog zagadjivanja. Cijena auta je nebitna.
    A naravno da ima mnogo vise smisla na 6.0, no na 1.0, no je Vili umoran s posla, pa zaebae .

    Nego, stetno za motor?
    A sva ova auta koja pored klasichnog motora imaju i elektrichni pogon? Zar se njima motor kod njih ne pali-gasi 3 puta chesce, nego kod ovih sa start-stop dzidzom? Pa ih eto.
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    Kod hibrida je drugacije ali ti to ne kuzis. MG1, Atkinson cycle, 0-20, geometricna komplresija, preheater...
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    Čekamo, kako ćeš da smisliš razlog da je povoljno staviti sistem koji štedi pola litra (primjer automobil od 1000 kubika), a nije povoljno kada se stavi onaj koji štedi 5x više...


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    Jedina dobra stvar je sto na licu se svaki put pojavi osmijeh od uva do uva kad se pali mashina od 6000ccm i onaj zvuk wrommmm

    Ps. Bugi dobre su ti tablice juce sviram na niksicki put bugi zamisljen


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabia_Elegance! View Post
    Kod hibrida je drugacije ali ti to ne kuzis. MG1, Atkinson cycle, 0-20, geometricna komplresija, preheater...
    Velis li? ; Na pitanje vezano za skracivanje vijeka trajanja motora, tj problem povecanog habanja kod auta sa start-stop sistemom, ukljuchujuci i hibride, (jedan inzinjer):

    Having worked in product development for 4 big OEMs I have to say that all these things are actually tested. I know that most OEMs will run an engine / gearbox on a test bed and run it through the 100s of thousands of cycles that the engine is expected to undertake in a stop / start environment. The system is then torn down & the wear is inspected to ensure that it is within the limits acceptable for the engines to last. As for the hybrids - yes, they also have this same wear on the engines. Regardless of how they are started (traditional starter motor, belt starter, electric machine) they still have the same forces applied to start them. As for turbochargers, I thought we had all gotten over the myth that engines needed to be left idling to prolong turbo life?
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    Kada je njemacki auto bild testirao Priusa na 200000 km, i kad su izmjerili sve moguce djelove motora, ne samo sto su bili unutar granica tolerancije, djelovi nisu imali nikakvih tragova. Sjecam se kada su rekli da se svaki dio moze prodati kao nov. A ne postoji motor koji se pali/gasi cesce od njega.
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    Ajmo update poslije 5 godine, vaše mišljenje o start stopu CG inžEnjeri.... :P


    Koliko košta start stop akumulator u CG, za recimo 1.6/85kw?
    Jel duplo skuplji od običnog akumulatora?
    Pitah google ali ni on ne zna...

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    start stop prva stvar koju ugasim cim upalim auto koje ga ima

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    Quote Originally Posted by E_K_V View Post
    start stop prva stvar koju ugasim cim upalim auto koje ga ima
    Zbog čega tačno?

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