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    Znam ja to Vanja, a da nije jedini.
    Kako ono Sun Cu reče drži prijatelje blizu, a neprijatelje još bliže.

    I sve mogu da ignorišem ali fašizma propuh kad osjetim taj na kraju poželi da prozor nikad nije bio ni odškrinut.



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    Још уничтожене опреме руских десантњика на херсонском фронту:









    Стижу и материјали са харковског фронта.Изгледа да је тачно да су Украјинци покренули контраофанзиву и на том правцу.Којег обима, остаје да видимо:





    На истом правцу руска сушка добила по кљуну:



    Заробљен руски потпуковник.Харковски фронт:

    https://twitter.com/Shtirlitz53/stat...64886254407680
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    Црногорце је одржало црногорско срце.

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    The cycle of old weapons always ends with Ukraine.

    Vilnius will send American guns M-101 from World War II to Kyiv.

    The decision was taken by Lithuanian Defense Minister Arvydas Anusauskas.

    The production of howitzers began in 1941, and ended only in 1953.

    Vilnius said it had begun looking for a replacement for the junk weapons sent to Ukraine.

    How long these museum exhibits will live in service with the Ukrainian army is unknown.
    https://www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric...o-ukraine.html
    Yes, I'm in need of something
    But it's something you ain't got​

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    Yes, I'm in need of something
    But it's something you ain't got​

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAR View Post
    Prelijepa pjesma.

    То не литаври б'ють, то серце в грудях,
    Не в дзвонах лаври, тут вся сила в людях!




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    Још материјала са харковског фронта.

    Заробљен руски Т72Б3 са интересантом инпровизацијом на предњем дијелу тенка.



    Оштећен и заробљен руски Град:



    Инспекција заузетих положаја руске војске:







    Скидање совјетске заставе са објекта сеоске администрације изјумски правац.На овом правцу руске јединице су на окупираним територијама истицале совјетске заставе, за разлику од југа, гдје окупатор користи државне заставе Русије.

    https://twitter.com/WarNewsPL1/statu...11450779803649

    Уништена руска самоходна хаубца, наводно Мста-С 152мм:



    И један украјински БТР4, којег су Руси заробили зимус, враћен власницима

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    Овако Руси прелазе ријеке у Украјини.Ужас.
    18+

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...ZZeEfA1wr-0t8Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluemoon View Post
    Prelijepa pjesma.

    То не литаври б'ють, то серце в грудях,
    Не в дзвонах лаври, тут вся сила в людях!




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    Ta improvizacija na tenku im je taman ko i ta zastava raspalog sovjetskog saveza.

    Ko u onoj anegdoti Hitlera i Staljina što stoje iznad provalije.
    Dok jedan govori faš(isto) drugi komun(isto) provalija odzvanja sa isto,isto.

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    Do prije nedelju dana najveci snabdijevac oruzja za Ukrainu je USA.
    Sada je Rusija preuzela vodjstvo.


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    Ni koraka naprijed od Praškog Proljeća..



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    Ово на харковском фронту изгледа далеко озбиљније него што сам претпостављао.Ослобођена је Балаклија (коју је под окупацијом држала Росгвардија), Боршчивка, а стижу фоторафије украјинских трупа на прилазима Шевченкову.







    Неки Украјински портали преносе да су предње јединице већ стигле у околину Купјанска.Чекамо материјал.У сваком случају линије снабдијевања иначе врло снажне изјумске групе руске војске су или озбиљно угрожене или скоро прекинуте.

    Још материјала са харковског фронта:









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    Минвалј у Москви.Соловљев добио по чкипи?

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    Po ovim komentarima markez solovljev od lago di como je prešao sa skupih italijanskih vina na votku što je izvjesnije.

    Nešto se niko ne bavi pretjerano njegovim slučajem a i kako bi kad kao da je izašao iz prosječne kafanske tuče.

    Ova slika padanja trobojki i vijorenja državnih zastava kao u Ševčenkovo ide redom u Harkivskoj ofanzivi.
    Blizu su Kupjanska i to po navodima ruskih snaga pa je moguće.
    Dobar dan za ZSU.




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    Koliko emocija u posljednjem video-u u rečenici spasiba maljčiki..

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    Харковски фронт:

    Заробљена руска командна и сигнална возила:
    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...JdmpoIEjA&s=19

    Заробљена четири БТР-а:

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status..._JvWpebcQ&s=19

    Уништен конвој руске војске на путу за Шевченкове:
    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...RbPoc0HqQ&s=19

    Заробљено командно возило артиљерије:

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...YRFX1QpFA&s=19

    Три руска БМП-а пробала да утекну преко ријеке, али било је ипак бућ.
    БМП је амфибијско возило у теорији, али у пракси је потребан можда и цијели дан рада, да би се возило припремило за воду.Са општом корупцијом и лошим текућеим одржавањем достизање амфибијских могућности је за већину ВМП-ова, само у домену теорије.

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...ranmZD3ZQ&s=19

    Још један уништени Град:

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...X5aVA7S2g&s=19

    Операције у Херсону се настављају.Док чекамо нови материјал:

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...mcRlyOjUQ&s=19
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    Jedan od bogatijih Rusa, i među top 5 bankara Putinovog vremena, je ponudio da uplati 1 milijardu u njegovu banku u Ukrajinu a sredstva bi bila korišćena za kritične projekte obnove infrastrukture, zdrvstvo, hranu i struju.
    Za uzvrat traži da mu se olabave sanckije, piše između ostalog Wall Street Journal.
    Inače je rođen u Lavovu, današnja Ukrajina.

    Russian Billionaire Mikhail Fridman Offers $1 Billion to Ukraine in Hope of Sanctions Relief
    Facing frozen assets and blacklisting, Alfa Bank’s owner and other Russians oligarchs look to cut their own deals with the West, according to officials

    Russian businessman Mikhail Fridman is offering to transfer $1 billion of his personal wealth into a Ukrainian bank he co-founded, a proposal that people familiar with the issue said is intended to persuade the U.K. to lift sanctions against him.
    Mr. Fridman’s proposal is among a number of overtures that blacklisted business executives, banks and companies are quietly making to Western authorities as those nations prosecute a campaign to economically cripple Russia in response to its war in Ukraine, according to U.S. officials.

    Mr. Fridman denied having made a quid pro quo offer to Ukraine.
    “The U.K. does not condone any sanctions avoidance,” the British Foreign Office said.

    In March, in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Western allies sanctioned Russian oligarchs and political allies of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Among those targeted by the European Union and the U.K. were Mr. Fridman, who owns controlling shares in Alfa Bank, and his business partners Petr Aven and German Khan.

    Mr. Aven and Mr. Khan declined to comment.

    While none of the men have been sanctioned by the U.S., and they insist they have no influence on the government in Moscow or its execution of the war in Ukraine, Alfa Bank, one of Russia’s largest private financial institutions, is blacklisted by the U.S. Treasury Department.

    Transfer of any of Mr. Fridman’s assets in Alfa Bank, in which he owns controlling shares, would require Treasury approval.

    The war in Ukraine has upset the balance that Mr. Fridman, who was born in Soviet-era Ukraine, has for decades skillfully maintained between his Western and Russian business interests.
    Since March, Mr. Fridman’s assets have been frozen in the U.K. Companies and investors have been severing ties with him to avoid being sanctioned themselves.
    Alfa Bank-Ukraine has proposed to officials in Kyiv that Mr. Fridman be permitted to transfer $1 billion of his personal wealth into the bank, said Roman Shpek, the financial institution’s supervisory board chairman. That money would be used to finance critical projects in Ukraine related to infrastructure, healthcare, and food and energy security, he said.

    “The bank would like, as one of the biggest private banks in Ukraine, systemic banks, to be an active player in recovering the Ukrainian economy after the war,” said Mr. Shpek, a former Ukrainian economy minister.

    Mr. Shpek said Alfa-Bank Ukraine sent its proposal to the National Bank of Ukraine in June. A spokeswoman for the National Bank of Ukraine, which oversees the financial sector and would have to approve such a transfer, didn’t reply to a request for comment.

    Mr. Shpek denied that the proposed transfer was intended to secure sanctions relief.

    “For us, it’s a really important economic project, and we would like to avoid any speculation that Fridman and his partners would like to invest $1 billion to Ukraine to receive something in another country,” Mr. Shpek said. “I don’t see this as some speculation or game that in the future can help to avoid or lift sanctions. It’s a completely different issue.”

    Mr. Fridman would need a special dispensation from the EU to access and transfer money from his accounts there to Ukraine. Last week, Alfa-Bank Ukraine petitioned the Council of Europe on his behalf, Mr. Shpek said.

    A spokeswoman for the Council of Europe didn’t reply to a request for comment.

    Dozens of sanctioned Russians are contemplating similar moves to free themselves from financial straits, according to the people familiar with these discussions. Ukrainian officials have considered creating a fund into which sanctioned Russians could deposit money, according to the people familiar with these discussions in Kyiv. That money would then be used to benefit Ukraine, though it is unclear whether it might lead directly to sanctions relief.

    Rostyslav Shurma, the deputy head of the Ukrainian presidential administration, said that the government in Kyiv would address the Fridman proposal only as part of a broader framework that might include the fund being considered to help Ukraine. “This should be the general approach to all the sanctioned Russians,” Mr. Shurma said.

    Sanctioned business executives and companies are also reaching out to the U.S., U.K. and other Western authorities as they explore how to ease sanctions, preserve their wealth and free frozen assets.

    “There are a lot of parties petitioning both the U.S. Treasury and State Departments to be removed from the lists,” said Erich Ferrari, an attorney who has previously represented several high-profile sanction targets.

    While the Treasury Department oversees most U.S.-imposed sanctions, the State Department is reviewing delisting petitions, Mr. Ferrari said. The proposals include business executives and firms severing relationships with the primary targets of Western sanctions, divesting ownership and stepping off the governing boards of sanctioned firms, he said.

    A State spokesman said the department wouldn’t comment on diplomatic negotiations.

    “The United States government has been very clear in public and private communications that sanctions will target Russian and Kremlin elites, oligarchs, and Russia’s political and national security leaders who have supported Russian President Vladimir Putin’s brutal and illegal invasion of Ukraine,” the spokesman said.

    A spokeswoman with the Treasury Department declined to comment.

    Playing the role of a peacemaker in the war has already benefited one other Russian oligarch, billionaire Roman Abramovich. Mr. Abramovich wasn’t targeted by the U.S. government after an appeal by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, though he has been subject to British sanctions. Mr. Abramovich has been acting as an intermediary between Ukraine and Russia on a number of issues, including prisoner exchanges, the Journal has previously reported.

    The U.S. hasn’t sanctioned Mr. Fridman, but the Treasury Department has imposed one of its most powerful penalties by prohibiting transactions and any other business dealings with Alfa Bank.

    Transfer of any of Mr. Fridman’s assets in Alfa Bank or any other interests in sanctioned companies would require Treasury approval. In other cases, the U.S. has been reluctant to grant approval without significant concessions and oversight to ensure that the purpose of the sanctions—depriving Mr. Putin and his allies of funds and power—is still being served.

    While turning prominent Russians to its cause could bring public-relations benefits, Ukraine would likely face a domestic backlash if it provided political cover to prominent figures who might be able to influence the Kremlin.

    “We cannot have any deal with Russians,” said Mariana Bezuhla, the deputy chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s Committee on National Security, Defense, and Intelligence. Ms. Bezuhla said that Ukraine should work only with Russians who provide military intelligence.

    Mr. Shurma said that Ukraine would consider any such deal for sanctions relief only after the war has ended.

    “The target of the sanctions is not to get some money from some wealthy Russians,” he said. “The target of the sanctions is to create decent pressure on the elites to stop the war.”

    Max Colchester and Jenny Strasburg contributed to this article.

    Alfa Bank-Ukraine is a private bank in Ukraine co-founded by Mikhail Fridman. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said it was a subsidiary of Alfa Bank in Russia, which Mr. Fridman founded. Also, Roman Shpek is a former Ukrainian economy minister. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said he was a former finance minister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hercules View Post
    Jedan od bogatijih Rusa, i među top 5 bankara Putinovog vremena, je ponudio da uplati 1 milijardu u njegovu banku u Ukrajinu a sredstva bi bila korišćena za kritične projekte obnove infrastrukture, zdrvstvo, hranu i struju.
    Za uzvrat traži da mu se olabave sanckije, piše između ostalog Wall Street Journal.
    Inače je rođen u Lavovu, današnja Ukrajina.
    A bi da mu se olabave sankcije dok mu drugar urniše zemlju.
    Za početak bi trebalo da podrži sopstvene sugrađane koji se bore protiv fašizacije društva.

    Ili da spriječi da momci poput onog dečka iz Čuvašije idu na front i završe 2m pod zemlju.

    Jel gleda on kako ruski vojnici ko u snimku što je BAR postavio prelaze most?
    Šta su ti momci za njega,obično meso za mlin?

    Posjeti li u zatvoru opozicionara putinu što mu ovaj stavi te namjete da se zauzme za istog?
    On nesretnik vjeruje da je to do zapada biće.Vjerovarno njegova dječica studiraju po tom istom zapadu,pa se i ne pita kako je Rusima.
    U kakvom paralelnom svijetu ti oligarsi žive to ni kvantna fizika ne može objasniti.

    "Džaba vam novci moji sinovci,džaba vam bilo dobre volje.."

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    Izgleda da je ukrajnska vojska došla ispred Kupjanska (ime mjesta mnogima vjerovatno ništa ne zanči), ali ako je to istina, to znači da je linija fronta u ovih nekoliko dana pomjerene 50 km unutar teritorije koju su do sada držale ruske snage. Kupajnsk je starteški bitno mjesto (za Ruse) jer se tu nalazi željezničko čvorište, te je većina logistike za potrebe ovog rata (ili specijalne operacije ako više volite) išla kroz to nama nepoznato mjesto. To rusi ne smiju da dozvole tako da tu očekujem utvrđivanje ruskih snaga, a ukrajinci će morati proširiti koridor da bi neometano mogli privući artiljeriju te na taj način prekinuti rusku logistiku.
    Da još to napišem, ako rusi dozvole da padne Kupajnsk, te ne odbiju ukrajnice od istog onda će njihova vojska izgubiti i to malo poštovanja koje je ostalo...

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    Pala im je Rusija za 6 mjeseci gore nego što bi čovjek i najgorem neprijatelju poželio.
    Dostojanstvo je izgubljeno još 24.februara sve ostalo je kopanje po leševima.
    Nek kući idu nesretnici trebalo je odavno.

    Potpuno je prekinuta veza između istoka i zapada što ikome normalnom nije po volji.
    Bukvalno je hladni rat došao na fabrička podešavanja.

    Što se prije oslobodi Ukrajina to će se prije osloboditi i Rusija kome to nije jasno uzaludna rabota.


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