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    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how...na-11647640099


    How Biden Lost Saudi Arabia


    The President’s brand of liberal internationalism is proving to be costly.

    By The Editorial BoardMarch 18, 2022 6:46 pm

    In case you missed it amid the war news, the Journal this week reported that Saudi Arabia is edging closer to accepting the yuan as payment for oil shipments to China. This is one more cost, and a potentially significant one, of the Biden Administration’s bungled handling of a strategically important ally.Details of the potential new Saudi-Chinese oil-trading arrangements remain vague. The two sides have talked for years about pricing some oil sales in yuan, and it may not happen. Some 80% of global oil sales are priced in U.S. dollars, the yuan is not freely convertible as a reserve currency must be, and Saudi Arabia’s currency, the riyal, is pegged to the dollar.
    Yet the two sides are said to be keen, and news of renewed discussions sends an alarming signal. Saudi Arabia committed in 1974 to conduct its oil trade only in dollars, in exchange for security guarantees from Washington. The Biden Administration has undermined that relationship at every turn, and by all accounts the Saudis are fed up.One of the Administration’s first foreign-policy actions was to end U.S. support for the Saudi war against the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen. It also removed the terrorist designation from the Houthis. The White House then postponed a scheduled arms sale to Riyadh—a security slap-in-the-face that wasn’t reversed until late last year.The Houthis have returned Mr. Biden’s gift by sending drones and missiles to attack the oil fields and cities of Saudi Arabia and its ally, the United Arab Emirates. Meanwhile, the Saudis watch, aghast, as Mr. Biden chases a new nuclear deal that will give Iran the resources to finance proxy wars against Saudi Arabia—until the Khashoggi murder was outrageous and Yemen’s plight is desperate, but Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has made other moves toward domestic liberalization. More to the point, the U.S. needs every friend it can keep in a difficult part of the world. The high-minded internationalists populating the Biden Administration assume, wrongly, that a power such as America has the luxury of cooperating only with the morally pure. The Saudis are recalculating their interests now that they fear they can’t rely on the U.S.—amid the Biden Administration’s hostility and the horrifying Afghanistan withdrawal. The Crown Prince has refused Mr. Biden’s entreaties to pump more oil, and he is reported even to have refused to take the President’s phone call. ADVERTISEMENT - SCROLL TO CONTINUE Beijing is happy to step into the breach, and it could benefit if it can coax Riyadh into a yuan-for-oil arrangement. Doing so would help Beijing start building the scaffolding for a global yuan, including greater dispersion of the currency around the world. This in turn could open the door for China to offer the yuan as a trading currency to U.S. adversaries such as Russia and Iran. U.S. economic sanctions would be that much less effective. There’s a lot of ruin in a reserve currency, and the greenback’s global pre-eminence endures for now. But Washington should push back on any budding challenges—especially from strategic rivals. This is an urgent job for Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, assuming she can pull herself away from campaigning for global taxes and climate regulation. The Saudi bungle highlights the failure of Mr. Biden’s brand of righteous liberal internationalism. President Trump too often gave short shrift to American values, but Mr. Biden has swung too far in the opposite direction. He and his foreign-policy advisers seem to think grandstanding about human rights and the climate will win the day for U.S. interests. Successful Presidents, such as Ronald Reagan, have blended idealism with realism about the world’s bad actors and the need for friends. In this new era of Great Power competition, the U.S. can’t afford to alienate allies that can help deter authoritarian aggressors bent on harming U.S. interests and values. The U.S. is paying the price in the Ukraine crisis for having lost the Saudis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Mozda u Evropi. Ostatak svijeta se ne brine mnogo.
    Ne bih ja to nista diro
    E jbg, isto ka što se ni mi nismo brinuli mnogo kad su se sranja dešavala daleko od nas. Neko je bio postavio odličan tekst na tu temu, priroda je to tako uredila, nažalost je tako, ne trebamo biti licemjerni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiTrAtE View Post
    E jbg, isto ka što se ni mi nismo brinuli mnogo kad su se sranja dešavala daleko od nas. Neko je bio postavio odličan tekst na tu temu, priroda je to tako uredila, nažalost je tako, ne trebamo biti licemjerni.
    Otprilike.
    Iako lijepo zvuci kad mi pocnemo da pricamo cio svijet....
    Daleko je to od toga. U aziji to dodje pod vijesti iz svijeta, u juznoj i centralnoj americi takodje. U africi je to nije ni vijest.
    Ali ajde.... Cio svijet je u pitanju....
    Naravno da je situacija ista. Njih zanima Ukrajina taman kao nas sukob Pakistana i Indije oko Kasmira

    Ne bih ja to nista diro

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    Zbog ovakvih stvari stradaju civili.
    Slika/video sa sinocnog gadjanog trznog centra.


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    Quote Originally Posted by technus View Post
    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how...na-11647640099


    How Biden Lost Saudi Arabia


    The President’s brand of liberal internationalism is proving to be costly.

    By The Editorial BoardMarch 18, 2022 6:46 pm

    In case you missed it amid the war news, the Journal this week reported that Saudi Arabia is edging closer to accepting the yuan as payment for oil shipments to China. This is one more cost, and a potentially significant one, of the Biden Administration’s bungled handling of a strategically important ally.Details of the potential new Saudi-Chinese oil-trading arrangements remain vague. The two sides have talked for years about pricing some oil sales in yuan, and it may not happen. Some 80% of global oil sales are priced in U.S. dollars, the yuan is not freely convertible as a reserve currency must be, and Saudi Arabia’s currency, the riyal, is pegged to the dollar.
    Yet the two sides are said to be keen, and news of renewed discussions sends an alarming signal. Saudi Arabia committed in 1974 to conduct its oil trade only in dollars, in exchange for security guarantees from Washington. The Biden Administration has undermined that relationship at every turn, and by all accounts the Saudis are fed up.One of the Administration’s first foreign-policy actions was to end U.S. support for the Saudi war against the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen. It also removed the terrorist designation from the Houthis. The White House then postponed a scheduled arms sale to Riyadh—a security slap-in-the-face that wasn’t reversed until late last year.The Houthis have returned Mr. Biden’s gift by sending drones and missiles to attack the oil fields and cities of Saudi Arabia and its ally, the United Arab Emirates. Meanwhile, the Saudis watch, aghast, as Mr. Biden chases a new nuclear deal that will give Iran the resources to finance proxy wars against Saudi Arabia—until the Khashoggi murder was outrageous and Yemen’s plight is desperate, but Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has made other moves toward domestic liberalization. More to the point, the U.S. needs every friend it can keep in a difficult part of the world. The high-minded internationalists populating the Biden Administration assume, wrongly, that a power such as America has the luxury of cooperating only with the morally pure. The Saudis are recalculating their interests now that they fear they can’t rely on the U.S.—amid the Biden Administration’s hostility and the horrifying Afghanistan withdrawal. The Crown Prince has refused Mr. Biden’s entreaties to pump more oil, and he is reported even to have refused to take the President’s phone call. ADVERTISEMENT - SCROLL TO CONTINUE Beijing is happy to step into the breach, and it could benefit if it can coax Riyadh into a yuan-for-oil arrangement. Doing so would help Beijing start building the scaffolding for a global yuan, including greater dispersion of the currency around the world. This in turn could open the door for China to offer the yuan as a trading currency to U.S. adversaries such as Russia and Iran. U.S. economic sanctions would be that much less effective. There’s a lot of ruin in a reserve currency, and the greenback’s global pre-eminence endures for now. But Washington should push back on any budding challenges—especially from strategic rivals. This is an urgent job for Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, assuming she can pull herself away from campaigning for global taxes and climate regulation. The Saudi bungle highlights the failure of Mr. Biden’s brand of righteous liberal internationalism. President Trump too often gave short shrift to American values, but Mr. Biden has swung too far in the opposite direction. He and his foreign-policy advisers seem to think grandstanding about human rights and the climate will win the day for U.S. interests. Successful Presidents, such as Ronald Reagan, have blended idealism with realism about the world’s bad actors and the need for friends. In this new era of Great Power competition, the U.S. can’t afford to alienate allies that can help deter authoritarian aggressors bent on harming U.S. interests and values. The U.S. is paying the price in the Ukraine crisis for having lost the Saudis.

    Nema Amerika nikakve veze sa ratom u Ukrajini.


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    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...g_ydPRNCg&s=19

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    Hrvatski Jutarnji list nije baš naklonjen Rusiji. Ovaj tekst odudara od stereotipa i zaslužuje pažnju.
    https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/svij...vnika-15172934

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    Skola u odesi pretvorena u vojnu kasarnu
    https://twitter.com/LuxioMPD/status/...YOZXUEeHio5KGA
    Za @ASC
    Potrazicu snimke, izgleda da ruske trupe ciste podmorske mine koje su postavile UKR snage da vi se zastitile invazije sa Crnog mora.
    Pojavljuju se snimci velikog broja detonacija na nekoliko mjesta oko grada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Sa druge strane trenutno je pokrenuta tuzba kojom Rusija Meta inc i njene platforme proglasava teroristickim i trazi zabranu rada i oduzimanje imovine na teritoriji pod ruskom kontrolom(smijesno ali ajde, odnosi se na okupirane teritorije).
    Meta inc trazi da se odbije tuzba kao nesosnovana. Za sad nisu dostupni za komentare
    Nece nista biti od toga ali, kao sto rekoh u par navrata, big tech je napravio zestok problem sa njihovim blokadama i samo se vise i vise zakopavaju u probleme u ostatku "non west" svijeta, a i u EU.

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    Sef dobrovaljacke bolnice Ukrajinske vojske u regionu Donbasa je izjavio da je dao naredbu svim ljekarima da kastriraju sve zarobljene ruske vojnike koji dolaze u bolnicu ili koji se pregledaju kao zarobljenici.
    Izjava data UKR televiziji Ukraina24


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    Naravno da od toga nema nista. Zabrana rada ce samo prebaciti ljude na mjesta kao sto je TikTok.
    Meta inc ce nastaviti da rad kad se ovaj rat zavrsi, ali ce se osjetiti porast mreza tipa TikTok i Telegram.
    Moguce da ce i WeChat naci svoje mjesto na RUS trzistu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    U africi je to nije ni vijest.
    Jeste, i to stravična, ne zbog samog rata i poginulih nego zbog gladi koja im slijedi. 45% pšenice za čitav Afrički kontinent dolazi iz ove dvije države (Rusija 33% i Ukrajna 12%). Pojedine države manje, a pojedine više (Tunis skoro 60%).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Sef dobrovaljacke bolnice Ukrajinske vojske u regionu Donbasa je izjavio da je dao naredbu svim ljekarima da kastriraju sve zarobljene ruske vojnike koji dolaze u bolnicu ili koji se pregledaju kao zarobljenici.
    Izjava data UKR televiziji Ukraina24


    Ne bih ja to nista diro
    WTF? Jel' ima ovo negdje "na pismeno"?

    Prosto mi je nevjerovatno za povjerovati...

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    Što bi rekao profesor na Lepa sela lepo gore, "rat u ljudima izaziva ono najbolje i ono najgore"

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    Quote Originally Posted by beatnological View Post
    WTF? Jel' ima ovo negdje "na pismeno"?

    Prosto mi je nevjerovatno za povjerovati...

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    Quote Originally Posted by remark View Post
    Ne znam sta pokusavas sa time, da ukazes da propaganda radi svoje ili? Mislim da je to jasno svima, upravo radi toga i napisah da mi je nevjerovatno da povjerujem da je neko oficijalno izjavio ono za UKR i bolnice a to dal' se nesto takvo moze desiti ili ne je totalno druga prica. U ratu se svasta desava ali se svasta ne izjavljuje javno ako ti nije u korist te shodno i tome moj komentar.

    Podsjetit cu samo na UKR propagandu sa samog pocetka (bukvalno prvi dan "invazije") prije nego je iti jedan civilni objekat pogodjen. Ovo je podijeljeno u prakticno svim tehnoloskim krugovima u DE ni 24h nakon pocetka invazije. Jel' te podsjeca na nesto iz nasih krajeva mozda?
    Russian saboteurs, dressed as civilians, are planting bombs and setting up mines which are disguised as toys and chess boards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beatnological View Post
    Ne znam sta pokusavas sa time, da ukazes da propaganda radi svoje ili? Mislim da je to jasno svima, upravo radi toga i napisah da mi je nevjerovatno da povjerujem da je neko oficijalno izjavio ono za UKR i bolnice a to dal' se nesto takvo moze desiti ili ne je totalno druga prica. U ratu se svasta desava ali se svasta ne izjavljuje javno ako ti nije u korist te shodno i tome moj komentar.

    Podsjetit cu samo na UKR propagandu sa samog pocetka (bukvalno prvi dan "invazije") prije nego je iti jedan civilni objekat pogodjen. Ovo je podijeljeno u prakticno svim tehnoloskim krugovima u DE ni 24h nakon pocetka invazije. Jel' te podsjeca na nesto iz nasih krajeva mozda?
    Russian saboteurs, dressed as civilians, are planting bombs and setting up mines which are disguised as toys and chess boards.


    Pokušavam da kažem da se svakim danom potvrđuje izreka Kad bukne rat, prva pogine istina.” a ova vijest je neđe u rangu ove sa lavovima, debilna ali pali.





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    Quote Originally Posted by remark View Post
    Pokušavam da kažem da se svakim danom potvrđuje izreka Kad bukne rat, prva pogine istina.” a ova vijest je neđe u rangu ove sa lavovima, debilna ali pali.
    Onda se slazemo u potpnosti oko toga.

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    A moze li ova istina? Prsli su potpuno.

    Не бојим се вражјега кота, нека га је ка' на гори листа, но се бојим од зла домаћега!

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    Quote Originally Posted by remark View Post
    Pokušavam da kažem da se svakim danom potvrđuje izreka Kad bukne rat, prva pogine istina.” a ova vijest je neđe u rangu ove sa lavovima, debilna ali pali.




    Bice da je

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...6XDz_NJLPRMYww

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Zanimljivo, priznanje ratnog zločina uživo, je li ovaj izdao naredbu ili je on doktor koji to radi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Kakav muk na temi, niko već 40ak minuta da objasni zašto je to nadasve human potez.
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    WTF

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Last edited by Illuminated; 21-03-22 at 15:16.
    SMRT FAŠIZMU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starwalker View Post
    Kakav muk na temi, niko već 40ak minuta da objasni zašto je to nadasve human potez.
    Zato što nije i nema tu šta da se objašnjava.

    Ali blago nama, ne fali onih koji izokola objašnjavaju da je ruska operacija opravdana jer "nisu imali više kud".

    Denacifikovan:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Hvala... Ovi su pukli taman koliko i Putin izgleda...


    Quote Originally Posted by avet View Post
    A moze li ova istina? Prsli su potpuno.

    Mogu da pricam iz licnog iskustva na osnovu desavanja u firmi u kojoj radim... Itekako se siri mrznja prema obicnom narodu RU, no srecom pa je top menadzment odlican pa su pale neke zabrane vec (tipa it's not RU war but "Putins WAR" itd.).

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