Formula 1!

[ToJeMojBrat]

Brake testing u najavi?

[nickname]

Idemo saaaad bree

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[E_K_V]

dje mi ga je bizbi sad....

[ToJeMojBrat]

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da mi je neko rekao da na ovakvoj stazi ferrari nakon silverstona moze citavu trku da bude iza mercedesa u 2s ne bih mu vjerovao...
steta sto seb nije imao jos koji kilometar u rezervi na startu i na restartu...

[nickname]

da mi je neko rekao da na ovakvoj stazi ferrari nakon silverstona moze citavu trku da bude iza mercedesa u 2s ne bih mu vjerovao...
steta sto seb nije imao jos koji kilometar u rezervi na startu i na restartu...

Da...blizu jesu al opet ne dovoljno.
Da su na istom nivou, ili makar pribliznom okinuo bi ga nakon SC-a.
Zadovoljan sam sve u svemu.
Moraju kvalifikacije i taj kvalfikacioni krug da poprave kako im glava zna...


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[Antikvarnica1]

Na Monci ce Mercedes tek da ih ubije, zgazi ;-)

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ja sam vise nego zadovoljan... 0.2 iza hamiltona na 7km dugoj stazi u kavlifikacijama...a onda u trci citavu trku u 2s...stim sto mu je dva puta bio rame uz rame...
to sto je na kraju ferrari bio na us a mercedes na softu i nije izgleda bila neka prednost na ovakvoj stazi...
ja sam ocekivao iskreno 1-2 lagano od mercedesa ali sam se nadao boljem rezultatu i tako je i ispalo...
krivo mi zbog kimija ali nije ni usporio ako cemo pravo...

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Na Monci ce Mercedes tek da ih ubije, zgazi ;-)

pricali ste isto i za belgiju....pa nidje gazenja... niti dominacije najavljene

[Antikvarnica1]

Evo neka bude isti ishod i odlicno ;-)

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nije sporna pobjeda mercedesa... pricalo se o dominaciji totalnoj... a niko nije racunao jos tada na novi nadogradjeni motor.... pa opet nista od toga... pobjeda je tu ali ne na nacin koji smo ocekivali

[JUAN]

shta reci osim bravo care...

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@nickname.... ovo jos da rosi dobije sad i mozemo reci super vikend za nas dvojicu

[hercules]

Sreca pa Sumaher nije imao dominantan bolid i sreca pa je Barikelo bio bolji od Rozberga. E sram vas bilo kako ste objektivni.

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Niko ne kaze da Sumaher nije imao dominantan bolid. Ali u trkama, ne i u kvalifikacijama. A ni to uvijek, cesto je strategija odigravala svoje ili nepouzdanost konkurenata.
McLaren Mike Hakinena i mercedesov motor koji su imali je bio bolji od Ferrariejvog iz tog vremena. BMW Williams takodje je imao jaci motor. Reno i Cosworth su takodje tada imali svoje bljeskove.
Honda takodje u rukama Buttona.

A i kad je pocela njegova dominacija pobjedama i titulama, onda su poceli sa eskperimentima koji su dosta unistili draz ovog sporta. Navescu samo neke:
- ukinut warm up nedjeljom
- uvedena pravila ogranicenog broja motora i sasija i ogranicenog broja testova
- uvedeno pravilo da se koristi isti bolid za trke i kvalifikacije
- ukinuto dolivanje goriva
- kvalifikacije u jedan krug na stazi
- cijela trka na jednom setu guma
- onda vracen sadasnji sistem kvalifikacija umjestog starog dobrog u trajanju od 1h.
- sjetite se one gluposti od prosle godine da svakih 90 sekundi eliminisu po jednog vozaca, srecom ukidose to odmah poslije Australije.
- Ferrarijeva lojalnost Bridgestonu kad su Michelinke bile bolje u eri dva snadbjevaca gumama. Bridgestonke su se sporije grijale za te kvalifikacije, pogotovo one od 1 krug.

Negdje sam prije na ovoj temi napisao, da za ovo koliko pratim F1 bilo je dominantnih timova i bolida, ali kao bolid Mercedesa u prethodne 3 sezone to ne pamtim.
Upravo zbog toga sto su dominantni bili i u kvalifikacijama i u trkama.

Sumaherov rekord u kvalifikacijama mu je vjerovatno i ''najslabiji'' koji je imao od svih. Hamilton je odlican vozac, jedan od 4 najbrza u gridu, u kombinaciji sa dominantnim bolidom malo bi bilo i iznenadjenje da ne obori.

[ToJeMojBrat]

Pročitah komentar da bi Mercedes bio dominantniji da su došli sa starim motorom. Možda će Monca biti dominantnija jer će i Ferari u Monci da izgubi na performansama sa novim specifikacijama motora? Ili mozda sve to nema veze...

U svakom slučaju Seb je imao dobar pokusaj, nekako sam očekivao da će pored onolikog Luisovog kukanja za vrijeme SC, softice biti hladne i da će ga Seb okinuti. Izgleda da se to samo Botasu desilo i da on nema Luisove trikove za zagrijavanje guma, mada je Ted rekao da je Botas imao različit setup "za start trke" gdje su očekivali da zaskoci Seba na startu.

[ToJeMojBrat]

[Darko007]

To su kraljevi samo nek se krljaju

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[mur3633]

Hvala Perezu i hvala Oconu što promijeniše tok trke. Da se nisu cuknuli, trka bi tako bila dosadna.

Kimi mi je bio faca. Žuta zastava, a on pod punom brzinom prolazi, bez imalo usporavanja.

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[ToJeMojBrat]

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BYUPgVanEZy/

[nickname]

@nickname.... ovo jos da rosi dobije sad i mozemo reci super vikend za nas dvojicu

Malo je hvalilo za savrsen vikend...no, ne zalim se ni sa ovim.


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After a high-class, race-long battle with title rival Sebastian Vettel, Hamilton claimed victory in the Belgian GP to cut the German's lead in the Drivers' Championship to seven points.

But the 32-year-old thinks his win was largely down to having track position after taking pole position, stating Sunday's win had taken "everything out of him" to maintain the lead.

"I think Ferrari were ultimately quicker. I was just able to keep them at bay," Hamilton told Sky F1.

"If the cars were reversed I don't think I would have been able to hold as close as he did.

"If anyone's out there thinking we have the best car this year then they need to think again, because it's not the case."

Mercedes introduced an updated engine at Spa with the Mercedes' straight-line speed just enough to rebuff Vettel's charge.

"I think we have the upper hand power wise but we've got to keep improving," said Hamilton. "The pressure is on. The next race, package wise, should be similar to this weekend but when we get to Singapore that's really when the test is going to be shown where Ferrari should be really fast as they were in Hungary - so we will see."

[ToJeMojBrat]

I was lifting - bila je čini mi se reakcija nakon trke kad mu je Seb rekao da je bilo blizu. Ispada da ga je nakon restarta namjerno (po njegovim riječima) pustio da bude bliže jer zbog karakteristike staze zavjetrina je bolja ako si na pravcu malo dalje (ako sam ovo dobro skapirao). To bi značilo, a time sam stvarno iznenađen, da je Luis primijenio taktiku u borbi protiv Seba. Iskreno od njega nikad ne očekujem nešto inteligentno da uradi, ovo bi stvarno bio izuzetak...

[E_K_V]

to je rekao nakon trke.... pustio ga je da da mu se primakne previse prije kemel pravca jer je onda morao ranije da izadje iz zavjetrine, a time je izgubio prednsot koju je imao i morao je da se bori sa istim otporom vazduha kao luis...a mecka ipak ima kojeg konja vise...valjda.......
e sad steta je sto u oba slucaja nije mogao da ima pomoc drs-a

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kome nije muka neka cita

Why Ferrari was the real winner at Spa

In the end this was the perfect outcome for Lewis Hamilton's hopes of overhauling Sebastian Vettel to win the 2017 Formula 1 world championship. Hamilton converted his Michael Schumacher-equalling 68th pole position into victory at the Belgian Grand Prix, and slashed Vettel's 14-point championship lead in half.

But Hamilton had to fight tooth and nail to get the job done. He said it took "absolutely everything of me" to beat Vettel at Spa, and feels it will take a mighty effort from now until the end of the season for Mercedes to keep him in the title fight.

"I've read lots of stories or heard lots of comments about our car being the best, or we have the fastest car," Hamilton said. "But I think it's very difficult for anyone to truly say that, because there are definitely areas where we're faster and areas where they're faster, and it varies from race to race.

"They've had the most consistent season, hence why they have been in a clear lead in the championship. While we've had a very, very solid, well put together weekend, it was only just enough to stay ahead.

"I hope we have more to come, and we need more to come in order to win this thing for sure."

This was not the way it was supposed to play out here. Spa should have been nailed-on Mercedes territory, the sort of fast and flowing high-speed track where Hamilton - armed with a new, more powerful, Mercedes engine - should have rammed home the kind of advantage he enjoyed while dominating at home in July.

There, on the high-speed sweeps of Silverstone, Hamilton was on pole by more than half a second, and could stretch away from Kimi Raikkonen's Ferrari seemingly at will in the race. The Ferraris had to work so hard trying to keep up, their front-left Pirelli tyres exploded.

But the events of the Belgian GP suggest Britain was more of a dark false dawn, rather than a terrifying portent of things to come for Ferrari.

Vettel reckoned Ferrari underperformed at Silverstone anyway and a clean weekend at Spa, with a car that featured some seemingly very useful aerodynamic and mechanical revisions, put the team right in the mix.

Even negating the estimated two tenths of a second Vettel gained from being towed by team-mate Kimi Raikkonen in Q3, Vettel qualified within half a second of Hamilton's pole time at Spa - a clear improvement over Silverstone when you consider Mercedes ran new engines in Belgium and Ferrari did not.

Mercedes seemed to judge this race to perfection, but we must also must consider the Hamilton factor. He carried the fight single-handed at Spa, where Ferrari was a team transformed

Ferrari must surely be planning to throw everything it has at the SF70H for its home race at Monza next time out. If it can close the qualifying deficit to Mercedes with its next development, then Ferrari stands a real chance of becoming an even bigger threat on the remaining high-speed circuits that place a premium on the sort of efficiency Mercedes has become renowned for.

Vettel will most likely need more pole positions if he is to stem the flow of the rising Hamilton tide. Spa was Hamilton's seventh pole in 12 races; Vettel only has two, and pole certainly proved key to the outcome of this race.

Hamilton just about controlled proceedings from the front, after acing the start and successfully repelling Vettel's advances on the first run along the Kemmel Straight to Les Combes.

The surprising thing is Hamilton then proved unable to drop Vettel, who spent all bar a couple of the 44 laps of this race (excluding the pitstop phase) running within two seconds of his main rival.

The truncated long running during Friday practice suggested Ferrari looked strong in race trim, and Hamilton simply couldn't shake Vettel loose, despite running in clean air at the front.

"The car is not quite where we need it," Hamilton said. "It's obviously great in qualifying trim, but in the race generally struggles. But in the last race qualifying trim was not good, and in the race I was very strong.

"It's strange, it varies from race to race, but this weekend we definitely didn't have the race pace. He was able to follow way too close, and even on the pushing laps he was able to stay within a tenth.

"So there was no room for error - that was the smallest bit of breathing space that I had, and I had to try and utilise it."

Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff revealed that his team deliberately compromised its qualifying set-up for this grand prix in pursuit of strong race pace. This tactic paid off, but required a monumental effort from Hamilton to be quickest of all through the twists of sector two with downforce trimmed out in qualifying, where team-mate Valtteri Bottas was slower than both Ferraris.

"It was particularly difficult because we had to balance our qualifying performance versus the race performance and we've given up qualifying performance in the second sector in order to have that advantage in the race," Wolff explained.

"We opted for a set-up that would be the quicker race set-up. We sacrificed downforce for quali, [which] means we left lap time on the table in the second sector to have a quicker car in sector one and sector three, and that proved to be the right decision."

Hamilton was 0.063s per lap faster than Vettel on average through the first stint on ultra-softs, but Vettel enjoyed a 0.099s edge during the middle stint on soft tyres. During the final sprint to flag after the safety car restart, with Hamilton on soft tyres and Vettel on ultra-softs, Hamilton was 0.181s per lap faster.

This suggests Mercedes judged this race to perfection, giving Hamilton just enough from his car to keep Vettel at bay, despite the compromises made.

But we must also consider the Hamilton factor here. Bottas was nowhere near challenging for victory, and ultimately finished a lowly fifth after getting mugged by Daniel Ricciardo's Red Bull and the recovering Ferrari of Raikkonen after the safety car restart.

Hamilton carried the Mercedes fight single-handed at Spa, where Vettel admitted Ferrari was a team transformed after the drubbing it suffered at Mercedes' hands at Silverstone.

"Overall the car was very good," said Vettel. "We didn't change too much compared to Silverstone, which shows on the one hand that Silverstone was just a bad weekend, but we improved the car also - especially the race pace, very strong.

"We were on average a second off, or nearly a second off, in Silverstone so it's a big step. I'm very, very happy. I think we are on the right track and I don't think we have a circuit we should fear, going from now."

Although he applied relentless pressure from behind, Vettel's only other real chance to steal this race away from Hamilton came at the safety car restart with 10 laps to go. The leaders pitted for fresh tyres under the safety car, which was called so marshals could clear debris from the track after the two Force Indias collided spectacularly on the approach to Eau Rouge.