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    Imola... Austrija... bas mi je zao onih staza, bile du fenomenalne.

    Citav F1 sport ide nizbrdo, i samo pare rade.

    Niti ima vise bolida kao ranije, ovi sad izgledaju presmijesno, niti ima dobrih staza i trka kao ranije.

    Uh samo da oce za prvo vrijeme izbacit Valensiju, Singu i Monako, bio bih zadovoljan.
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    The real problem with the F2012, a problem Ferrari cannot openly admit, is the ban of reactive suspensions (Lotus style). Ferrari's were even more radical than the Lotus, as they inter-connected also the front and the rear wheels and the left and right sides. This explains why the car behaves well with heavy loads and why it ceases to be effective under light loads; such a system would allow to maintain a stable height, and even more important, would improve the balance under braking, in pure traction exits and in slow curves. As Ferrari was not allowed to put it on the car, the rest of the car suffers, as everything was designed for that device.

    The starting point of the exhaust system, pointing towards the wings of the rear brakes (that never had been so complex in a Ferrari car) would work with that device, but when the system was stripped from the car, all the original exhaust system did was to increase the instability that the device would have prevented. When it is said that there is a team in Maranello that is working on the initial exhaust solution, I think that what they are trying to do is develop such suspension device, but in a way that the FIA may not ban; meanwhile there is another team that is working on a new location for the exahusts (as the McLaren one, etc), and for that alternative location, it will be necessary to modify the sidepods and the engine cap, removing the "Acer Duct". If the first team is successful, the car will be a blast; if it is not, and the second alternative is used, the car may only be abreast of rivals, but not above them.

    The ban of reactive suspensions by the FIA has resulted in a bigger loss for Ferrari than for Renault or for any of the other teams in the championship. This explanation is twofold; on the one hand that of Ferrari went beyond, as it interconnected the front and the rear wheels and the left and right sides, while the Lotus Renault solution was limited to prevent the pitch (or change in pitch) under braking and acceleration.

    On the other hand the Ferrari is much more "pitch sensitive" than the Renault or any rivals who had plans to use such devices, because of its wide and very fine nose, that does not have an overhung, almost like a horizontal spoiler, different to any other nose used by the teams on the Championship, which are narrower, thicker and extending ahead of the pillars. The Ferrari is thereby subject to pressures from the nose, as when you get your hand out of the window of a car and put it horizontally: a little tilting is all it takes to displace it. When the Ferrari slows down, the nose tends to fall, and that gives more downforce in the front, but at the same time, it removes downforce from the rear and it, therefore, makes the car less stable under braking than the engineers had hoped when they designed it with the reactive suspension that initially the FIA did not declare illegal (which was why it was initially developed by several teams); later, coming out from a slow curve, the nose rises and reduces the downforce in the front, increasing it in the rear; that should be good for traction, but the traction lost at the front means that the improved traction may not be fully used, as the car would oversteer, forcing drivers to get out of slow corners with more restraint than necessary.

    The woes of Ferrari begun due to the absence of a device designed to improve the balance, and due to the flawed aerodynamics of the car, that were planned for being used with that device.
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    ja ne brinem za Massu (naseg)...jer vozaci dolaze i odlaze tj prolaze a Ferrari je uvijek tu


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    http://f1racing.com.hr/formula-1/velika-nagrada-francuske-vraca-se-na-paul-ricard

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    elgija napolje...niposto ako mogu da je organizuju...

    valensija...slobodno...greota je da propada jedan vikend zbog onakve staze...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabia_Elegance! View Post
    Ferrari i Schumacher 36 trka i nije imao ni jedan proble.
    Schumacher jeste vrhunski vozach ali ima uslove za pobjedu.
    Nadjoh neki stari citat i ne mogu da vjerujem :nevreness:

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    Spa je dobra.
    Nove staze osim Turke ne valjaju nista.
    Valencia out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M.S. View Post
    Nadjoh neki stari citat i ne mogu da vjerujem :nevreness:

    Sto je tu cudno?
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    Valencia out, Monaco mora da ostane ipak je kultna staza a i ne valja da sve staze budu siroke, Singapur je nocna trka pa je OK i to da vidimo..mada bi mogli malo izmijenit konfiguraciju staze
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    E da, Monaco out.
    Ja ne gledam F1 zbog "legendarnih" staza.

    P.S. zbog cega je ona legendarna?
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    zbog mnogo cega, a izmedju ostalog i zbog toga sto je najteza za voznju cak i sa svim prepravkama..mala greska i u zid, meni je veci merak da gledam milimetarski preciznu voznju bez preticanja nego 20 vjestackih preticanja sa DRSom i KERSom na stazama sirokim 15 metara..
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    zbog mnogo cega, a izmedju ostalog i zbog toga sto je najteza za voznju cak i sa svim prepravkama..mala greska i u zid, meni je veci merak da gledam milimetarski preciznu voznju bez preticanja nego 20 vjestackih preticanja sa DRSom i KERSom na stazama sirokim 15 metara..
    Onda si ti jedinac.
    Staza je kanta, F1 je sport brzine i manevara, a onamo se svodi na uzaludno kruzenje, sminkerisanje svjetskog dzet seta, i na taktike sa pit stopom.
    Monaco OUT !!!!
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    on makar nije isao da krka mesine dok se najveci mucio u sredini kolone nego je ostao da ga podrzi
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    ma monako neka stoji...bio je tu vazda..neka je idalje..al neka batale ovaj trend gradskih staza.... to je uzas za gledanje...

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    Paul Ricard


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    pih sto ne ostade Mistral citav nego stavise tu sikanu
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    on makar nije isao da krka mesine dok se najveci mucio u sredini kolone nego je ostao da ga pod rzi
    Ipak sam uspio stici na sami kraj trke.:tongue:

    Nego, strucnjace, pogledaj ovo http://www.formula1onlive.com/2012/0...ision-was.html :applouse:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petronas View Post
    Nego, strucnjace, pogledaj ovo http://www.formula1onlive.com/2012/0...ision-was.html :applouse:

    Rekao sam ja to, ali...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    pih sto ne ostade Mistral citav nego stavise tu sikanu

    mnogo dobra staza ovako sa slika... pocetni pravac...brza sikana...pa jos malo pravca...idealno za preticanja... pa onda mistral straight iz dva dijela... a svidjaju m ise i ove krivine 7, 8 i 9...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petronas View Post
    Ipak sam uspio stici na sami kraj trke.:tongue:

    Nego, strucnjace, pogledaj ovo http://www.formula1onlive.com/2012/0...ision-was.html :applouse:
    World champion passed Karthikeyan on the back straight at the Sepang track but the two collided as the Indian moved back towards the racing line.

    kako je iz ovoga kriv Vettel? Znaci ovaj ga je isjekao kad je ovaj prosao sa 99% bolida...vozaci koji se zaobilaze za cijeli krug na stazi nemaju bas nikakva prava u odnosu na vodece, tako je pravilima utvrdjeno i NK je kaznjen po pravilima, Vettel jeste "kriv" na isti nacin kao i Button sto nije razmisljao da krece u obilazenje kante i trebao je da bude oprezniji jer je trebao da ima na umu da ce cigo mozda napravit neku kretensku stvar..ali su i on i Button dovoljno "kaznjeni" sto su izgubili znacajne bodove, HRTovi su opasni na stazi i kraj price, pogotovo kad ih voze "cucumberi"
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    World champion passed Karthikeyan on the back straight at the Sepang track but the two collided as the Indian moved back towards the racing line.

    kako je iz ovoga kriv Vettel? Znaci ovaj ga je isjekao kad je ovaj prosao sa 99% bolida...vozaci koji se zaobilaze za cijeli krug na stazi nemaju bas nikakva prava u odnosu na vodece, tako je pravilima utvrdjeno i NK je kaznjen po pravilima, Vettel jeste "kriv" na isti nacin kao i Button sto nije razmisljao da krece u obilazenje kante i trebao je da bude oprezniji jer je trebao da ima na umu da ce cigo mozda napravit neku kretensku stvar..ali su i on i Button dovoljno "kaznjeni" sto su izgubili znacajne bodove, HRTovi su opasni na stazi i kraj price, pogotovo kad ih voze "cucumberi"
    Ja ne mogu da vjerujem sta pricas ..

    Pa vidis li da mu se Narain potpuno sklonio sa idealne putanje i pustio ga da prodje, a onda ovaj neiskusni zutalj zauzeo citavu stazu i po izlasku iz krivine direktno se prestrojava u Narainovu putanju ???

    Jedini nacin da izbjegne i ovo je bilo da ode na travu, a to nije duzan.
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    Evo i Crnjo radi nesto korisno.

    Svaka cast za svaku ovakvu akciju.

    http://thef1times.com/community/display/00547

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petronas View Post
    Ja ne mogu da vjerujem sta pricas ..

    Pa vidis li da mu se Narain potpuno sklonio sa idealne putanje i pustio ga da prodje, a onda ovaj neiskusni zutalj zauzeo citavu stazu i po izlasku iz krivine direktno se prestrojava u Narainovu putanju ???

    Jedini nacin da izbjegne i ovo je bilo da ode na travu, a to nije duzan.
    mi nismo gledali isti snimak izgleda..pauziraj pola sekunde prije kontakta i onda pauziraj na kontakt, NK je bio van idealne putanje i onda se vracao na idealnu putanju i zakacio Vettela koji je skoro vec bio prosao, mislim znate obojica da bas i ne podnosim Njemca(zbog ponasanja i zbog onoga u Turskoj ponajvise) i sigurno ga ne bih branio da je bio kriv..
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    Sad nesto "kopam" po ormanu i nadjoh par zanimljivih "stvarcica"...
    Za brata Fabiu jedna "navijacka" slika:
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