Herbert: Šumaher bi trebao da se povuče
LONDON - Sedmostruki svjetski šampion Mihael Šumaher najvjerovatnije će se povući iz takmičenja na kraju sezone, rekao je danas Džoni Herbert, bivši vozač Formule jedan.
Šumaher se poslije trogodišnje pauze vratio takmičenju 2009. godine, ali se u 23 trke nijednom nije popeo na pobjednički podijum, odnosno nije bio ni blizu 92. pobjede u karijeri.
"On se nije vratio u Formulu jedan da bi bio u sredini tabele. Želio je ponovo da pobjeđuje i donese uspjeh 'Mercedesu', ali to se nije dogodilo i bio bih iznenađen ako bi Šumaher odlučio da nastavi karijeru", rekao je Herbert britanskim medijima.
Herbert je istakao da Šumaherove godine (42) nisu presudan faktor, već da su vozači Sebastijan Fetel, Luis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, ali i Šumaherov klupski kolega Niko Rozberg podigli takmičenje na viši nivo.
"Činjenica je da on više nije najbolji vozač u takmičenju. Šumaher nije izgubio vještinu, nego je nova generacija mladih vozača jednostavno bolja od njega. Sada je mnogo viši nivo potreban za pobjedu u Formuli jedan, a on više ne ispunjava te uslove", rekao je Herbert, koji je tokom karijere pobijedio u tri trke Formule jedan.
Britanac je rekao i da bi Šumahera trebalo da zabrinjava što ga Rozberg pobjeđuje u svakoj trci , ali i ocijenio da mladi vozači više ne strahuju od sedmostrukog svjetskog šampiona.
"Šumaher je u prošlosti bio veoma brz na stazi i njegovo prisustvo bi gotovo natjeralo ostale vozače da se pomjere u stranu ili odustanu od duela. To se više ne događa, a to vidite po broju incidenata u kojima je učestvovao prošle i ove sezone", rekao je Herbert.
ovo ti je tačno, osim zaključka!
oni su vrhunski vozači/piloti ali ništa gori od vetela, nijesu ni alonso, ni hamilton, ni kubica - ali bolid uglavnom donosi titule!!
kao i tim pravom strategijom, kolegom vodonošom i sl..
ko god misli da bi fetel u ovom trenutku sa ferarijem, meklarenom radio ovo isto - griješi..
JUAN, sad si ti presao na droge.
Reci za 7-strukog svetskog prvaka da je pradnjava obicna onda...
TAKUMI
stvarno, ovo "obicna" je cist visak :mrgreen:
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Koliko mlatite,kriv je bio za ono sa Petrovim i otisao u boks,brzo dosao do 12. pozicije i sta ste ocekivali,da ga drugi ne preticu na ovakvoj stazi,a znate odlicno sto znace gume ove godine.Imao je boks vise,ne bi ni Niko nista vise izvuka da je takvu trku imao!
Sto je najjace, frajer je imao skoro ista vremena kao Vettel.
TAKUMI
Svi su oni tuda-nedje, ali psiholoski aspekat je presudan, po mom misljenju...
2008. u Monzi , Vettel je pobjedio pored Mclarena, Ferraria i ostalih favorita, po kisi. Imao je i pole-position.
Onda... prva njegova trka u Kanadi, ako se ne varam...na debiju je bio 8. kad je mjenjao Kubicu. To ne moze svako.
Pogledaj tu trku pa ces da vidis zasto je pobijedio.
TAKUMI
NJEGOV bivsi kolega koji je 1995-e godine bio cetvrti a NAJVECI uvjerljivo osvojio naslov. Al eto, dosli su na svoje svi vozaci kojima je NAJVECI nabio komplekse pa sad vraCaju i nasladjuju se. Drago mi je zbog njih, dobro im je to za psihu.
Inace NAJVECI ima 42 godine a ovi su izbaceni iz F1 prije 30-e.
TAKUMI
dobro, vjerovatno je iskoristio priliku da se malo nasladi, ali to mu je i msc pružio ovakvim vožnjama..
ali rekao je i neke dosta tačne stvari:
"On se nije vratio u Formulu jedan da bi bio u sredini tabele. Želio je ponovo da pobjeđuje i donese uspjeh'Mercedesu', ali to se nije dogodilo i bio bih iznenađen ako bi Šumaher odlučio da nastavi karijeru" !
"Činjenica je da on više nije najbolji vozač u takmičenju. Šumaher nije izgubio vještinu, nego je nova generacija mladih vozača jednostavno bolja od njega. Sada je mnogo viši nivo potreban za pobjedu u Formuli jedan, a on više ne ispunjava te uslove", rekao je Herbert, koji je tokom karijere pobijedio u tri trke Formule jedan.
Britanac je rekao i da bi Šumahera trebalo da zabrinjava što ga Rozberg pobjeđuje u svakoj trci .
Last edited by kimi pg; 12-05-11 at 10:23.
jos uvijek si uvjeren da je on bio bolji od njih zato sto je bio brzi a ne zato sto je bio prvi vozac
She is only here to annoy herself!
Zato sto je bio brzi.
Ako nije bio brzi a prvi vozac u timu, onda ovaj vozac pod brojem 2 koji je, po tebi bio brzi od njega, svaki put je trebao da bude drugi, tik do njega.
Reci mi, za 11 godina voznje za Ferrari, koliko puta su Irvine, Barichello ili Massa bili brzi od njega u kvalama? Ako me sjecanje sluzi, 4-5/200.
TAKUMI
Evo jos nesto, od Andrua:
The bald facts of his Turkish Grand Prix weekend are just the sort of thing to intensify that speculation.
He was one second off team-mate Nico Rosberg in qualifying. In the race, a clumsy incident with Renault's Vitaly Petrov on the second lap forced Schumacher to pit for a new nose and set the tone for an afternoon that left him 12th, seven places behind Rosberg.
The raw performance deficit to his team-mate is not as great as those numbers make it appear and needs to be seen in context, but some of the race incidents paint a more concerning picture for his future.
The Mercedes WGP-02 car has shown improved pace in the last two races as the team begin to better understand its characteristics, and through Istanbul practice Schumacher's pace was strong, generally within 0.2secs of Rosberg's. The pair looked set to be vying for a place on the second row and that continued through the first two parts of qualifying.
What happened in the top-10 shoot-out was that Schumacher messed up his one lap and Rosberg did not.
Schumacher took too much speed into Turn One - just as he did in 2006. That pulled him out wide on the exit, he got dust on his tyres and that impacted upon the rest of his lap.
"Looking at the data, we can see Michael had considerably less tyre grip through most of that lap than he'd enjoyed previously," said team principal Ross Brawn.
"It takes a long time for the tyres to recover when you get off line."
That was what was responsible for probably around 80% of the one second chasm between the two Mercedes drivers in their final qualifying times.
Because the team had committed to single-lap runs, that deficit was frozen and goes down in the records.
Yes, it was Schumacher who ran wide and Rosberg who did not, suggesting perhaps that Schumacher's pace was coming with less ease than Rosberg's, but the genuine performance gap between them had they each performed to their potential was in the order of 0.2secs - around half the gap between the Red Bull drivers on the front row, for example.
Schumacher said of his current plight: "What I feel in my hands is the same as it's always felt."
He is no longer claiming that the characteristics of the tyres prevent him from driving naturally.
Unlike last year's Bridgestones, the Pirellis suit him just fine, and in fact with other drivers seem to reward the sort of early direction change that was always a distinctive trait of his style.
The physical sensations and correlation of the driving are now just as they used to be, Schumacher says. And yet...
For the sake of argument let's assume that somewhere in his years away from the wheel he has lost around 0.5secs per lap of raw ability - whether due to the effects of time or the serious neck injury he suffered in a motorbike crash during his retirement from F1.
That's an average of around 0.03secs per corner.
If he is pushing to his own limits in just the way he used to, that much off his former pace will likely feel no different to his on-the-limit laps in his great days.
The speed of the scenery will certainly not look different, the forces acting upon his body will be much the same, the sensations of the car's movements will feel just as they always did.
It will still be sliding around beneath him, he will still be manipulating the weight transfer around the tyres just as he ever did - only not quite as well, to the tune of 0.03secs. It will feel exactly as driving on the limit always did.
A loss of 0.5secs a lap would be enough to transform you from a colossus capable of dominating the sport to a driver 0.2-0.3secs off his team-mate who would struggle to hold down a place in F1 on merit. This might just be where Michael is at.
How he is handling this is only exacerbating his situation.
The Petrov collision in particular looked like the wilful playing out of the frustration of a guy who knows what it is to be the legendary colossus with ability that almost intimidated the opposition aside but is having trouble dealing with the new reality.
That small edge has gone and the opposition don't remember how it was and care even less.
Petrov sailing the Renault down his inside may have been just one ordinary driver not giving him due on-track deference too many.
It started with Toro Rosso's Jaime Alguersuari in Melbourne last year and it has not let up since and into Turn 12 on lap two in Turkey Schumacher just seemed to snap.
The Renault was already well ahead and inside and Schumacher simply turned left into it, front-left against right-rear, trashing his own front wing in the process.
His pace upon rejoining was not too bad, quite comparable to Rosberg's in fact when both were in clear air and at the same stage of tyre life. But there were further clear signs that Schumacher's head wasn't in a place that allowed him to apply his usual savvy racecraft.
The incident where he was trying to fend off Adrian Sutil, made light contact, locked up and let not only Sutil past but also the other Force India of Paul di Resta was particularly illustrative.
There was emotion in Schumacher driving in Turkey - not something that used to be associated with his career. And it was borne of frustration and incomprehension. It's not nice to see.
The qualities that made him the extraordinary competitor he was now seem to be clouding his judgement. Is he even capable of letting himself off the hook he has snagged himself upon?
TAKUMI
She is only here to annoy herself!
Dakle, ono sto Endrju kaze je, da Gumi nije bio takav seljo, pa uhvatio siroko prvu krivinu u Q2, da nije zveknuo Petrova i da nije onako glupo izgubio pozicije od Sutila i odmah posle od Di Reste, da bi bio tu nedje u 0.2sec zaostatka po krugu za Rozbergom, te da je oko 0,5sec po krugu sporiji nego sto bi bio sa istim ovim bolidom prije 10 god. Zakljucak: zreo za peKsiju
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Imao je gumi vremena kao vettel, ali su svi ostali, izgleda, bili brži od vettela..
Ma.. Kad si dobar onda si dobar.. Evo pogledaj kako Noletu ne smeta koja god podloga, no kakva je god, djelje.. A loshem q... svaka dlaka (runja) smeta. rofl rofl
Niko ne zna shto mu je ovo trebalo, umjesto da se povuche, (shto je zborio Bart Simpson, -Povuci cu se), Neporazen.. i da ode kao gospodin, evo se neshto muchi, o jadu radi, mora da smislja izgovore, chak i kad ne bi trebalo..
Isto ka' shto Jordanu nishta ona vracanja trebala nisu, no valjda kriza srednjih godina, shto li..
Nishta nije za dovijek, pa chak ni pevach iz Chorbine pjesme, -On je bio ime slavno, ali to je bilo davno..
Evo chak i ja, NexusVI , prolazim za 4 godine, a ne bezvezni smrtnici.
Last edited by NexusVI; 12-05-11 at 14:47.
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NexusVII je konza za NexusaVI
a ono sto je bitnije je da se Kubica oporavlja: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/form...e/13357893.stm
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http://www.f1racing.com.hr/index.php...esti&Itemid=86 Adrian Sutil prerezao vrat Geniijevom direktoru
hahhahhhahahahaha
ne želim oplakivanje.....sve što očekujem je očekivanje
Alonso: Još uvijek mogu do titule
"Najvažniji su rezultati, a mi smo počeli da ih ostvarujemo, u Turskoj smo izborili mjesto na pobjedničkom postolju. Moramo to nastaviti konstantno da radimo", kaže Fernando Alonso.
Ferari nije imao sjajan start sezone, ali je treće mjesto Fernanda Alonsa u Turskoj, prošlog vikenda, povratilo optimizam u tim iz Maranela.
„Volim da se zanimam brojevima i startistiko. Kada sam se vraćao kući, nakon trke u Turskoj, uporedio sam učinak nakon prve četiri trke ove i prošle sezone, i došao do interesantnog zaključka. Ove godine sam osvojio 41 bod, što je 13 bodova više nego lani nakon prve četiri trke“, kaže Fernando Alonso.
Španski vozač je svjestan da je zaostatak za vodećim Fetelom već 52 boda, dok je lani bio 11 nakon četiri trke.
„Međutim, sjećam se da sam prošle godine, nakon Silverstona, osme trke u sezoni, imao 47 bodova zaostatka ali smo se za titulu borili sve do posljednje trke. Ispred nas je još 15 trka, i ista situacija se može posmatrati na različite načine. Najvažniji su rezultati, a mi smo počeli da ih ostvarujemo, u Turskoj smo izborili mjesto na pobjedničkom postolju. Moramo to nastaviti konstantno da radimo, i ako u tome uspijemo, siguran sam da još uvijek mogu do titule“, zaključio je Alonso.
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