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    28.985 poginulih, 68.833 ranjenih od 7 oktobra do 18 februara u pojasu Gaze, nije još gotovo…
    Izraelski zvaničnici kažu da će za mjesec i po krenuti na Rafu (1,4 miliona stanovnika sada, prije ovog sukoba oko 280.000) kada se završi ta faza (kopnena invazija na Eafah) onda slijedi druga faza ,,ratovanja nižeg inteziteta”. Rok za puštanje svih taoca je početak mjeseca ramazana (10 mart). Egipat se protivi Izralskom invazijom na Rafu jer bi time bio ogromno pritisak na njihovu granicu. U slučaju da se to desi Egipat je najavio poništenje mirovnog sporazuma iz 1979 god. koji podrazumjeva ograničeno vojno prisustvo prema Gazi i Izraelu… time bi se otvorila još jedna spirala sukoba na bliskom istoku.
    Dolazak humanitarne pomoći u Gazu je sve komplikovaniji, prije je mjesečno dolazilo više od 400 kamiona mjesečno, sada u februaru (pola mjeseca) je došlo 110 kamiona.


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    "Ko će me sad zvati 'tata'" - suze čovjeka iz Gaze koji je u danu izgubio 103 člana porodice

    https://www.vijesti.me/bbc/695864/ko-ce-me-sad-zvati-tata-suze-covjeka-iz-gaze-koji-je-u-danu-izgubio-103-clana-porodice

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    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Koliko bolesnika među ove IDF-ovce još promovišu svoju boleštinu.

    Užas,ma užas.

    Želudac mi se sto put prevrta kad vidim njihovu boleštinu aliii oni su ugroženiii.Pi.

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    Pjur Evil.

    Postoji zlo kod čovjeka koje ni ZVIJER ne poznaje.

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    ,,kada djeca umiru od gladi, to bi trebao biti alarm kao nijedan drugi”

    https://x.com/ungeneva/status/176499...2VmdtfigQ63_xQ


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    *DNP će podržati peticiju građana i Rezoluciju o osudi zločina Izraela u Palestini*

    _Lider Demokratske narodne partije Milan Knežević sastao se danas aktivistima Pokreta solidarnosti sa Palestinom._

    *Milan Knežević je izrazio duboko saosjećanje sa nezapamćenim stradanjem palestinskog naroda i potvrdio spremnost DNP-a da podrži Rezoluciju o osudi zločina Izraela u Palestini koja je inicirana peticijom građana Crne Gore.*

    *Knežević je saopštio da je porazno da svijet ćuti na stravične zločine koji se dešavaju nad palestinskim civilima i kazao da ne smiju postojati dupli standardi, jer svaki život je jedanako vrijedan, kako život ukrajinskog djeteta tako i jednako i život palestinskog djeteta. Takodje, sagovornici su se slozili da osudjuju i stradanje neduznh izraelskih civila od ekstremistickih organizacija.*

    Aktivisti Pokreta solidarnosti sa Palestinom saopštili su da postoji urgentna potreba za djelovanjem u cilju sprečavanja kršenja međunarodnog prava i zločina nad palestinskim civilima. Iz Pokreta su saopštili da je potrebno zauzeti prinipijelan stav i pokazati da je Crna Gora na strani prava i pravde kao i zahtijevati kako kroz domaće tako i kroz međunarodne institucije hitan prekid vatre u Palestini kao i poštovanje međunarodnog prava.

    Sagovornici su osudili zločine Izraela nad palestinskim narodom i teška kršenja brojnih međunarodnih konvencija, UN rezolucija, oglušavanje Izraela na mjere Međunarodnog suda pravde i sprječavanje humanitarne pomoći.

    Iz Pokreta podsjetili su na odgovornost poslanika da zastupaju stavove građana koji mjesecima iskazuju na različite načine kroz građanske skupove, prikupljanjem pomoći i donacija, kulturnim i ostalim aktivnostima koje se organizuju u cilju pomoći i solidarnosti sa palestinskim narodom, i pozvali i ostale poslanike da podrže Rezoluciju.

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    (Mozda gornji link moze preko ovog linka, bez logovanja...)
    Kako su izraelski vojnici pogubili 19 civila
    https://balkans.aljazeera.net/videos...bili-19-civila

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    Neću ovo postaviti na temu Eurovizije nego baš ođe da tamo ne prlja se prostor.

    Jezivi su.



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    Pokret solidarnost sa Palestinom vas poziva na marš mira i veliki skup podrške ,,Crna Gora za Palestinu" koji će biti organizovan 24.3. u nedjelju u 12h. Mjesto okupljanja je kružni tok kod izraelske Kapital plaze, a šetnja će trajati do Skupštine Crne Gore gdje će biti održani govori.
    Nakon 6 mjeseci izraelske agresije, ubijanja, izgladnjivanja, progona, otimanja zemlje, masovnog preseljenja i zatvaranja Palestinaca, izraelski zločini i genocid ne prestaju!
    Zajedno sa stotinama miliona ljudi u svijetu solidarišemo sa Palestincima, zahtijevamo pravedan mir, najoštriju osudu izraelskih zločina i genocida, hitan prekid vatre, puštanje humanitarne pomoći u Gazu, okončanje vojne okupacije, aparthejda i ubijanje neduznih civila!
    (gornji tekst sa FB stranice organizatora)

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61553608641865
    https://www.facebook.com/meps.society/
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    Drzava univerzalnog normativnog morala i obrazovanja

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    ,,postoje razumni razlozi za vjerovanje da je Izrael počinio genocid u Gazi”

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    Ako ih USA podrzava onda je ovo demokratsko resenje sa laksim i tezim prekoracenjima a ako ih Rusija podrzava onda je ovo genocid i fasizam...
    Inace za bliski istok Izrael je faktor stabilnosti! Vjerovali ili ne....

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    Ubijeno je sedam humanitarnih radnika u Palestini. Ovih sedam humanitarnih radnika su ili članovi WCK (wolrd Central Kitchen), a bili su državljani Australije, Poljske, Velike Britanije, Palestine i SAD. Zbog tog događaja UN je prekinuo noćnu dostavu humanitarne pomoći. Od kada su sukobi počeli (7.10.2023 god.), pa do ubistva ovih sedam humanitaraca ukupno je ubijeno 203 humanitarna radnika u Pojasu Gaze. To je vići broj pogibija nego što je u zadnjih 30 godina… Ovaj podatak govori o silini udara izraelske vojske.


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    Vojnik izraelske vojske Ein Fashka šeta plažom sa svojom jurišnom puškom nakon što mu je izraelska vojska preporučila da svoje oružje uvijek nosi sa sobom. Izrael, 1989.

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    Nije ovo ime vojnika.
    Ein Fashka je naziv prirodnog rezervata kod Mrtvog mora.

    Kada smo kod ove slike, to je inspiracija za ovu pjesmu


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    IDF vojnici su - jednostavno najveća boleština moralna na svijet.



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    The Guardian
    3. april 2024.
    ‘The machine did it coldly’: Israel used AI to identify 37,000 Hamas targets


    The Israeli military’s bombing campaign in Gaza used a previously undisclosed AI-powered database that at one stage identified 37,000 potential targets based on their apparent links to Hamas, according to intelligence sources involved in the war.

    In addition to talking about their use of the AI system, called Lavender, the intelligence sources claim that Israeli military officials permitted large numbers of Palestinian civilians to be killed, particularly during the early weeks and months of the conflict.

    Their unusually candid testimony provides a rare glimpse into the first-hand experiences of Israeli intelligence officials who have been using machine-learning systems to help identify targets during the six-month war.

    Israel’s use of powerful AI systems in its war on Hamas has entered uncharted territory for advanced warfare, raising a host of legal and moral questions, and transforming the relationship between military personnel and machines.

    “This is unparalleled, in my memory,” said one intelligence officer who used Lavender, adding that they had more faith in a “statistical mechanism” than a grieving soldier.
    “Everyone there, including me, lost people on October 7.
    The machine did it coldly
    And that made it easier.”

    Another Lavender user questioned whether humans’ role in the selection process was meaningful.
    “I would invest 20 seconds for each target at this stage, and do dozens of them every day.
    I had zero added-value as a human, apart from being a stamp of approval. It saved a lot of time.”

    Their accounts were shared exclusively with the Guardian in advance of publication.
    All six said that Lavender had played a central role in the war, processing masses of data to rapidly identify potential “junior” operatives to target.
    Four of the sources said that, at one stage early in the war, Lavender listed as many as 37,000 Palestinian men who had been linked by the AI system to Hamas or PIJ
    Two sources said that during the early weeks of the war they were permitted to kill 15 or 20 civilians during airstrikes on low-ranking militants.
    Attacks on such targets were typically carried out using unguided munitions known as “dumb bombs”, the sources said, destroying entire homes and killing all their occupants.


    “You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people – it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs],” one intelligence officer said.
    Another said the principal question they were faced with was whether the “collateral damage” to civilians allowed for an attack.

    “Because we usually carried out the attacks with dumb bombs, and that meant literally dropping the whole house on its occupants.
    But even if an attack is averted, you don’t care – you immediately move on to the next target.
    Because of the system, the targets never end.
    You have another 36,000 waiting.”

    According to conflict experts, if Israel has been using dumb bombs to flatten the homes of thousands of Palestinians who were linked, with the assistance of AI, to militant groups in Gaza, that could help explain the shockingly high death toll in the war.
    Such a strategy risked higher numbers of civilian casualties, and the sources said the IDF imposed pre-authorised limits on the number of civilians it deemed acceptable to kill in a strike aimed at a single Hamas militant.
    The ratio was said to have changed over time, and varied according to the seniority of the target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wulfy View Post
    ,,postoje razumni razlozi za vjerovanje da je Izrael počinio genocid u Gazi”

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    USA kaze nije genocid,EU kaze nije genocid...Rusija kaze kontra...

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    Što izmišljaš kad je EU parlament reka drugačije.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkMaster View Post
    USA kaze nije genocid
    Zamisli, govore ono što im politički odgovara, a ne što je istina.

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    ...Rusija kaze kontra...
    Ista stvar.

    Ista ta Rusija upravo sprovodi genocid u Ukrajini. Napad na Ukrajinu je motivisan rusizacijom Ukrajine, a to je genocidna namjera da se potpuno ili djelimično uništi jedna grupa. Samo ono što su u Buči uradili je dovoljno da bude kvalifikovano kao genocid, a uradili su dosta i mimo toga.

    Konvencija o sprječavanju i kažnjavanju zločina genocida

    Član II
    U smislu ove Konvencije kao genocid se smatra bilo koje od navedenih djela učinjenih u namjeri potpunog ili djelimičnog uništenja jedne nacionalne, etničke, rasne ili vjerske grupe kao takve:
    a) ubistvo članova grupe;
    b) teška povreda fizičkog ili mentalnog integriteta članova grupe;
    c) namjerno podvrgavanje grupe životnim uslovima koji treba da dovedu do njenog potpunog ili djelimičnog uništenja;
    d) mjere uperene na sprječavanje rađanja u okviru grupe;
    e) prinudno premještanje djece iz jedne grupe u drugu.

    Rusija je za sad ispunila četiri od pet radnji, a dovoljna je jedna. Ispunili bi i tačku d da im može biti.

    Mislim da je suvišno govoriti o tome da je Izrael davno štrikirao svaku genocidnu radnju, a mislim da je i genocidna namjera iza tih radnji više nego očigledna.
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    I da je genocid uz podrsku velikih sila USA i EU Izrael mora da ostane faktor stabilnosti na istoku ipak je on okruzen divljim plemenima koje niko ne zeli u blizini!

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