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  • Da, apsolutno! To je jedina razumna odluka, svaka dalja diskusija je – izlišna

    54 27.98%
  • Da, pod uslovom da je ta vakcina odobrena za primjenu u EU tj. nije varijanta za zemlje 3. svijeta

    61 31.61%
  • Ne, nemam povjerenja u efikasnost prebrzo razvijene vakcine/ nepoznati dugoročni efekti po zdravlje

    47 24.35%
  • Ne, nisam pristalica vakcinisanja generalno, kao vida zaštite od bolesti

    20 10.36%
  • Ne znam. Lomim se oko odluke

    11 5.70%
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Thread: [COVID] Vakcine i tok pandemije [opšta diskusija]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rada View Post
    Nego se nigdje ne postavlja pitanje da li je bolje biti nevakcinisan ili vakcinisan prije 6 i više mjeseci? Da li vakcina u tom slučaju "smeta"?
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    Interesantno.
    Već smo u 2022, a još uvijek se ne postavlja dovoljno pravih pitanja.
    Mada, ruku na srce, pritisak je dosta popustio, nema više fact check-era da iskaču na svakom ćošku. Možda je to znak da se pandemiji stvarno bliži kraj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rada View Post
    Interesantno.
    Već smo u 2022, a još uvijek se ne postavlja dovoljno pravih pitanja.
    Mada, ruku na srce, pritisak je dosta popustio, nema više fact check-era da iskaču na svakom ćošku. Možda je to znak da se pandemiji stvarno bliži kraj.
    Fektčekeri su na vanrednom apdejtu narativa, izgmizaće čim se omikron zvanično proglasi varijantom visokog rizika. To nažalost znači da se pandemiji nikako ne bliži kraj i da pravi pritisak tek dolazi, kako na nevakcinisane tako i na neažurirane. Tim slijedom očekujmo i de facto poništenje neposlušnima statusa građanina, prvo u perjanicama demokratije a potom i u ovim nedemokratskim pripizdinama.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starwalker View Post
    Kapiram li ispravno, ti si sad za onaj zloglasni švedski model?

    Zna, 4 mjeseca nakon booster doze (prema izraelskoj med struci, iako premijer Bennett ohrabruje da se taj interval znatno skrati).


    Ako je prošli booster bio mRNA, niko ti neće ispuniti tu želju.
    Mnogi su ti sad za takav model, a kad sam prije godinu ja pisao o tome da treba svi da se cuvaju kako misle da trebaju, sa maskama ako hoce i u more...onda su me odje napadali kako sam neodgovoran, kako se pravim pametniji od struke, sta sve ne... Sad i doktori predlazu takav model NEcuvanja od zaraze, nego svi kud koji mili moji.
    Otvorite sve, dopustite sve, neka se vakcinise ko god hoce 3x dnevno, neka se nevakcinise onaj ko misli da mu to nije potrebno, masku nosite ako mislite da vam necemu sluzi...

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    koronavirusa je uvijek bilo i biće, možda neki opasniji soj ne dođe odmah iza omikrona ali dođe za 5,6 godina itd.
    She is only here to annoy herself!

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    Minimalno sam čitao o korona virusima. Valjda ima 4 vrste korona virusa koji su karakteristični za ljude, ostali korona virusi obitavaju u životinjskom svijetu. Dosad su 3 od tih životinjskih korona virusa preskočili na ljude: SARS, MERS i sad SARS-CoV-2, odnosno današnji COVID19. Ko zna šta bi sve u budućnosti moglo da pređe sa životinja na čovjeka. Upravo zbog toga što je prenošenje sa životinje na čovjeka vrlo rijetko, postoje realne sumnje da se to nije desilo prirodno.
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    ja dnas procitah da ce u martu ili aprilu biti vakcine protiv omikrona?! Fajzerove
    Sovršenstvo tvorenija, tainstvene sile bože,
    ništa ljepše, nit’ je kada, niti od nje stvorit može!

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    do tad će omikron proć bar kod nas, broj zaraženih i oporavljenih nam se skoro izjednačio već
    She is only here to annoy herself!

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    Svako malo ćemo da se bockamo. Divota.
    Ako ne postoji razlog da se pije, to nije razlog da se ne pije...

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    Ovo što si sada napisala nadražilo bi prije par godina jedan dio stanovništva

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    Quote Originally Posted by aLaPaCha View Post
    Svako malo ćemo da se bockamo. Divota.
    Pa u principu sasvim ocekivano i sasvim razumljivo.

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    Sve dok su namijenjene za ljude, može koliko god kažu.
    Samo nemojte slučajno za životinje nešto uzimati, daleko bilo.

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    Ima li vecih zivotinja od ljudi?
    Quote Originally Posted by Biznismen Podgorica View Post
    Oli da se kladimo ti das 50e a ja cu 200e.
    Ako ne prodje ti imas 200e.. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by aLaPaCha View Post
    Svako malo ćemo da se bockamo. Divota.
    Ja znam ko više neće, bar dok me ne ubijede u da su novi sojevi velika opasnost a ne izlog za nečije vakcine. Pa makar ne putovao više nikad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ^izzy^ View Post
    Ima li vecih zivotinja od ljudi?
    Nije sad to tema, bitno je samo razgraničiti jasno šta je za ljude a šta za životinje.
    Postaviti jasnu granicu.
    I onda ovoga za ljude konzumirati u što većim količinama i u raznim oblicima (vakcine, tablete), jer je to sve super za nas.

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    Women’s Periods May Be Late After Coronavirus Vaccination, Study Suggests

    Shortly after coronavirus vaccines were rolled out about a year ago, women started reporting erratic menstrual cycles after receiving the shots.
    Some said their periods were late. Others reported heavier bleeding than usual or painful bleeding. Some postmenopausal women who hadn’t had a period in years even said they had menstruated again.
    A study published on Thursday found that women’s menstrual cycles did indeed change following vaccination against the coronavirus. The authors reported that women who were inoculated had slightly longer menstrual cycles after receiving the vaccine than those who were not vaccinated.

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    Vele da smo prenaseljeni, treba to malo korigovat.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biznismen Podgorica View Post
    Oli da se kladimo ti das 50e a ja cu 200e.
    Ako ne prodje ti imas 200e.. :wink:

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    uh, samo mi je to falilo da mi život postane potpuna idila
    Sovršenstvo tvorenija, tainstvene sile bože,
    ništa ljepše, nit’ je kada, niti od nje stvorit može!

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    Ove gospođe nijesu čule za perimenopauzu izgleda

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    To su neke gospodje od 60+ godina pa se cude sto im kasni ili nema ciklusa, nista strasno.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biznismen Podgorica View Post
    Oli da se kladimo ti das 50e a ja cu 200e.
    Ako ne prodje ti imas 200e.. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milos Darmanovic View Post
    Efikasnost vakcine za koronu je krajnje diskutabilna.
    I oblik planete je krajnje diskutabilan kad ne znas o cemu pricas i kad slusas ravnozemljaske argumente.

    Quote Originally Posted by Milos Darmanovic View Post
    Ja sam se vakcinisao kinezom u maju, sad sam zakačio koronu i prošao relativno lagano. Ko može sa sigurnošću da kaže da mi je lako palo zbog vakcine? Ko može da kaže da mi je lagano palo jer je takav soj? Ko može da kaže da mi je lagano palo jer imam jak imunitet? Je ne mogu tvrditi ništa od ovoga.
    Ne moras da budes 100% siguran. Dovoljno je da pogledas podatke koji su javno dostupni i da iz toga izvedes zakljucak. Nazalost, za mnoge je to visa matematika.
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    Podaci iz Engleske, odnose se na omikron soj:

    - Kada je u pitanju zaštita od simptomatske bolesti, zaštita nakon tri doze iznosi od 45-75%. Iliti, nije tačno da je potpuno isto da li je neko vakcinisan ili ne, jer vakcinisane osobe imaju makar 50 posto manje šansi da imaju simptomatsku bolest od nevakcinisane osobe.

    Two to 4weeks after a booster dose vaccine effectiveness ranged from around 65 to 75%, dropping to 55 to 65% at 5 to 9 weeks and 45 to 50% from 10+ weeks after the booster
    - Kada je u pitanju zaštita od hospitalizacije, ona je naravno veća, i ide preko 85%:
    protection against hospitalisation is much greater, in particular after a booster dose, where vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation is around 85 to 90%

    - Podaci iz Siren studije koja ocjenjuje zaštitu i reinfekcije kod zdr radnika: najmanja zaštita od omikron simptomatske i asimptomatske infekcije je kod osoba koje nisu bolovale prethodno i nisu vakcinisane. Najveća je kod onih koji su bolovali i primili 3 doze.

    The results show the increased protective effect of a booster dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, even in those with prior infection, against symptomatic and asymptomatic Omicron infections compared to uninfected unvaccinated participants, who experienced the highest infection risk. There is an additional incremental benefit from each vaccine exposure, even in those who have had prior infection (confirmed through antibody or detection through asymptomatic and symptomatic testing
    https://assets.publishing.service.go...anuary2022.pdf


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    Podaci iz Njujorka:

    Zaštita od hospitalizacije kod vakcinisanih konzistetno iznad 90% (podaci od maja do januara ove god) a zaštita od simptomatske bolesti iznad 70%:




    https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/co...akthrough-data

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    Repeated Covid boosters not viable strategy against new variants, WHO experts warn

    “A vaccination strategy based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition is unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable,” the WHO Technical Advisory Group on Covid-19 Vaccine Composition (TAG-Co-VAC) said in a statement published on Tuesday.

    “Covid-19 vaccines that have high impact on prevention of infection and transmission, in addition to the prevention of severe disease and death, are needed and should be developed,” the advisory group said.

    It also suggested that vaccine developers should strive to create jabs that “elicit immune responses that are broad, strong, and long-lasting in order to reduce the need for successive booster doses”.

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    Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

    European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.

    Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said.

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    U medjuvremenu se vakcinisemo vakcinama za varijantu X dok svijetom hara varijanta Y a kada budu dostupne vakcine za Y onda ce na djelu da bude neka nova varijanta Z. Boosters for life.
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    Evo se uveliko po EU pominju planovi novcanih (i drugih) kazni za sve one koji odbijaju 'azurnu' vakcinaciju.

    Evo recimo Austrije sa planiranim kaznama od skromnih 3600 eura a i drugi pripremaju slicne planove u narednom periodu.

    https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/10/...g-covid-19-jab
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    Što će kome "ažurna" vakcina kad je studija u Izraelu pokazala da četvrta doza podiže broj antitijela, a nije efikasna protiv aktuelnog soja?

    Ako je radi potvrde, onda su u pitanju neki drugi razlozi, nemedicinski.

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