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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    ako misliš na Bergamo ima 120.000 ljudi
    Nije Bergamo, neko mještasce koje na samom početku epidemije imalo mnogo zaraženih, ne mogu da se sjetim a mrzi me i da guglam sad opet. Mada, složićemo se da je to previše i za grad od 120K stanovnika.

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    Dobro i? Misliš da drudge države ne vrše "eksperimente" sa patogenim virusima? Mislite li da se eksperimenti rade samo da bi se razvio virus koji će pretvoriti u oružje za masovni pomor ili možda kao lijek za mnoge bolesti tipa rak. Znate li da se neke rijetke neizliječive bolesti liječe tako što se "lijek" injektira u organizam pomoću virusa? Corona virusi su poznati od 1965. a o njima znamo još uvijek NIŠTA. I još dugo će se vršiti eksperimenti i tražiti efikasan lijek ili vakcina a to bez eksperimenata nije moguće i kad, ako uopšte otkriju lijek ili vakcinu za sars-cov2, i dalje će se vršiti eksperimenti i istraživanja sa starim sojem jer će se pojaviti i 3 i 4.

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    Mislim da je i on postavio twit, u prilog zaključcima da je virus potekao od slijepih miševa... Twit je iz jula, 2019...

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    Tivatech kao njemac prvo puca onda pita
    She is only here to annoy herself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSX View Post
    Tivatech kao njemac prvo puca onda pita
    Nema više puni pucaj, puni pucaj, samo pucaj, pucaj, pucaj ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tivatech View Post
    Nije Bergamo, neko mještasce koje na samom početku epidemije imalo mnogo zaraženih, ne mogu da se sjetim a mrzi me i da guglam sad opet. Mada, složićemo se da je to previše i za grad od 120K stanovnika.
    Možda Codogno? Mada čini mi se da imaju malo više stanovnika od 12k.

    Iz ovog mjesta je sve krenulo u Italiji.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samo Niksic View Post
    Možda Codogno? Mada čini mi se da imaju malo više stanovnika od 12k.

    Iz ovog mjesta je sve krenulo u Italiji.
    A onda dodjes do toga da niko, apsolutno niko od medija ne pise o tome da upravo na sjeveru Italije radi 50k+ Kineza u fabrikama tekstila (koliko vidjeh u Codognu ih ima par isto)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeDo_JE View Post
    Sve info i statistika starosti zaraženih, govori u prilog da u Italiji ima minimum 10x više zaraženih, od zvaničnih podataka, što će reći da smrtnost nije baš toliko visoka, već je pandemija zarazila previše ljudi prije nego što su uvedene restriktivne mjere...
    Pod Covid se sabiraju samo slučajevi koji su dokazano pozitivni na isti... Italijanski doktori i stručnjaci se slažu da smrti od Covida ima značajno više od zvaničnih podataka (ljudi koji umiru kućama, kao i oni koji nijesu testirani).

    Zabunu vjerovatno stvara, što se izvještava samo o smrtima od Covida, a ostale se ne pominju toliko. Ako potražite ukupne cifre, viđećete da je razlika baš baš velika...

    Takođe, više od 50 italijanskih doktora je izgubilo život zbog covid-a, valjalo bi naći informaciju koliko ih umre od influence godišnje...

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    Trenutno u Italiji je stopa smtnosti 11%. Ako je tačno da ih realno ima 10x više zaraženih onda procenat stope smrtnosti znatno pada tj 10x.
    Ne znam, onda statistika definitivno pravi zabunu iz koje izvodimo pogrešne zaključke.

    Evo kod nas je danas drugi pacijent umro koji je imao virus ali i doktori vele da nije umro/la zbog virusa. Ali ćemo ga isto stavit u statistiku da je umro od virusa.
    Naravno da opravdamo pandemiju i sve ove donesene mjere.

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    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Znači nije teorija, nego stvarnost. Njemačkoj ekonomiji se ne piše lijepo

    Ministar finansija njemačke pokrajine Hesse Thomas Schaefer izvršio je samoubistvo jer je bio „duboko zabrinut“ posljedicama epidemije korona virusa po privredu, izjavio je danas premijer te pokrajine Volker Bouffier, prenijela je Beta, pozivajući se na AFP
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    Meni ovo nešto zapade za oko iako nisam neki vjernik. Isječak iz biblije .. sjetite se Australije i požara, trenutno je ogroman haos i u africi sa usjevima i plus epidemija ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by starwalker View Post
    Znači nije teorija, nego stvarnost. Njemačkoj ekonomiji se ne piše lijepo
    Pa dobro, za ocekivati je da ce i velika Njemacka trpjeti posledice od ove pandemije, ali to kako si rekao zvuci kao da ce ona nesto posebno ispastati. Zar ne bi bilo realno za ocekivati da ce oni najbolje i najefikasnije znati da preduzmu sve neophodne korake za ubrzan oporavak? I zar ne bi u startu ona trebalo da bude ponajmanje ekonomski pogodjena, bar kad je poredimo sa ovim raspadom od Mediterana, kao i Engleskom ili posebno Amerikom? Za Skandinaviju ne znam, kolko vidjeh Svedjane boli murac za sve ovo...


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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ronavirus.html

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    I work in the healthcare field. Here's the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.
    This is why you're hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That's because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.
    The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.
    The problem is the test is known not to work.
    It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.
    Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
    The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.
    And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.
    If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.
    If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.
    And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
    Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.
    They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.
    There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.
    All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.
    Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.
    You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.
    Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.
    Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.
    Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

    But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.
    1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
    2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
    3. You can talk nonsense about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
    4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen.
    Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.
    They can not "confirm" something for which there is no accurate test.
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    A ovo ti je iz kuhinje antivakcinaša.

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    Quote Originally Posted by autodijagnostika View Post
    A ovo ti je iz kuhinje antivakcinaša.
    Coek gore sasvim razumno rezonuje, da nije neko opovrgao naucno to sto je gore napisano ? Ima li i jedno naucno istrazivanje ili bilo kakav dokaz nasuprot tvrdnjama gore ?

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    Edit:
    Pogresan topic, my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techlinkit View Post
    Coek gore sasvim razumno rezonuje, da nije neko opovrgao naucno to sto je gore napisano ? Ima li i jedno naucno istrazivanje ili bilo kakav dokaz nasuprot tvrdnjama gore ?
    Teret dokazivanja je na spodobi koja je napisala taj tekst. Mislis da je autor tek onako, slucajno zaboravio da potkrijepi svoje tvrdnje nekim naucnim istrazivanjem ili bilo kakvim dokazom?
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    Može li biti da smo mi na ovim prostorima imuniji u odnosu na zapadne zemlje?

    http://rs.n1info.com/Zdravlje/a58310...-COVID-19.html

    Australijski naučnici vjeruju da BCG vakcina za tuberkulozu, koju smo ovdje svi primili prilikom rođenja, jača imunitet pa možda suzbija i COVID19.
    Inače, u zapadnim zemljama odavno više nije obavezna ta vakcina jer je poznato da tuberkuloza iliti bolest siromašnih opada sa ekonomskom i zdravstvenom razvijenošću država.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanjaTheMan View Post
    Teret dokazivanja je na spodobi koja je napisala taj tekst. Mislis da je autor tek onako, slucajno zaboravio da potkrijepi svoje tvrdnje nekim naucnim istrazivanjem ili bilo kakvim dokazom?
    Zasto spodoba, zato sto razmislja drugacije od vecine, valjda bi trebalo ovi sto guraju svu ovu paniku, histeriju i sl. da pokazu naucne dokaze za to sto rade, a ne citavi svijet u histeriji, i jos se ne zna tacno koliko je ljudi umrlo, od cega je umrlo, kako su lijeceni, ko ih je lijecio (i da li ih je lijecio), nego preko globalnih medija slusamo non-stop virus, virus, virus. Ima 100 puta gorih stvari od 'virusa' koje su ubile na milione ljudi sirom svijeta pa niko zbog njih nije proglasio pandemiju. Ako neko kaze da ima neki 'virus' neka pruzi dokaze za to, a ne da su glavni dokazi 'testovi' koji mogu a i ne moraju biti ispravni/tacni i dokazivati uopste bilo sta drugo od obicnog gripa/prehlade, i dokazi su izvjestaji medija ciji su vlasnici multi-nacionalne korporacije. Inace znas li ko upravlja Italijom i kakvo stanje tamo vlada (citaj jedna od onih agencija sa tri slova, i to zadnjih 70+ god, od 40 i neke na ovamo). Njima tamo umire ogroman broj ljudi godisnje sa, ili bez virusa pa niko nije ispitao prije virusa zasto. Sjutra kad pronadju 'vakcinu' pa uvedu obaveznu vakcinaciju hoces li ti prvi da ides da te vakcinisu, ne znajuci sta ta vakcina sadrzi, na slijepo povjerenje nekog tamo medija, farmaceutskog lobija i sl. Ne kazem da treba vjerovati jednoj ili drugoj strani, ali coek treba da bude vrlo oprezan prije slijepog vjerovanja necemu sto je itekako sumnjivo.

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    Zbog čega su se i braća Rusi primili na ovu zavjeru ljudi guštera, cie i Vatikana, Putine reaguj.

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    Jesi li siguran da su to Rusi a ne Srbi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanjaTheMan View Post
    Teret dokazivanja je na spodobi koja je napisala taj tekst. Mislis da je autor tek onako, slucajno zaboravio da potkrijepi svoje tvrdnje nekim naucnim istrazivanjem ili bilo kakvim dokazom?
    dokazivanja čega konkretno?! Tj. šta smatraš da nije tačno u tekstu pa treba da se dokaže? (Usput ja ne smatram da je tekst tačan, samo sam postavio.)
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    Eto sad se mota i kod nas priča o tome kako je zaražen veliki broj slavnih ličnosti, kako su Hari i Megan napustili kraljevsku porodicu, kako je veliki broj direktora najvećih kompanija podnio ostavke i prije pojave virusa, kako je za Trampovog mandata raskrinkan i uhapšen najveći broj pedofila i kako je dosta njih među slavnim ličnostima, kako je spajanje FED-a i Treasury-ja urađeno kako bi se ugasila nezavisnst FED-a i kako bi se lakše obračunali sa poslovnim bankama koje su već na koljenima i kako bi zlato postalo opet moneta za potkusurivanje, kako je Bil Gejts vlasnik 15% WHO a ostatak je u rukama Soroša i tako dalje. I sve će to Tramp da sredi, odnosno da se obračuna sa elitom i lažnim medijima. Eto to se plasira u zadnje vrijeme.
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