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    Post-ovi vezani za MNE Airlines prebaceni u odgovarajucu temu --- https://forum.cdm.me/showthread.php?...gro-Airlines-u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Kakvo gledanje na ekonomiju iz CG stolice u cosku. Eto pun svijet firmi koje su proglasile bankrot da se zajebu dobavljaci i radnici, poreski sistem i slicno, pa se samo bankroti proglasavaju.
    Nije to kafana u siti kvart, pa da to tako lako ide

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    Niko nije rekao da ide lako, i to ne mogu da urade sitne firme, ali mogu (i rade) krupne firme jer imaju novac, kontakte i odgovarajuce korporativne strukture koje im to omogucavaju. Sto se tice utaje poreza najvece firme na svijetu su i najveci utajivaci poreza, Google, FB, Twitter, Amazon i drugi (primjer osnivanja podrucnih jedinica, ili premjestaja centrala firmi u Irsku, Luxembourg, Delaware, Jersey i sl. destinacije dje se poreska stopa efektivno svodi skoro na 0 % poreza). Takve strukture i mahinacije naravno kostaju ali se to velikim multinacionalnim firmama isplati. Nijesu oni na zapadu posteni, a pogotovo ne kad je kapital u pitanju - mora zakone da postuje obicni svijet, a veliki igraci zakone (i rupe u zakonima) prilagodjavaju sebi.

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    Sad vec mijesas babe i zabe. Utaja i izbjegavanje poreza kroz prijave kompanija lijevo i desno po svijetu je jedna stvar. Bankrot kompanije koja ima ulagace, kredite od banaka, akcionare, dobavljace.... a sve da bi se izbjeglo placanje a da se sacuvaju flota i brodovi, to je vec jako ozbiljna stvar i ne poteze se lako.
    Zato i rekoh gledas iz ugla CG biznismena, dje je "dobar dan" zatvoriti firmu, zajebati sve zive od drzave, preko dobavljaca do radnika, a onda otvoris novu firmu na koju si sve prenio i onda uzmes kredit od IRF jer ti "kumara" radi tamo.
    Tamo se timovi eksperata bave tim stvarima, a bankrot je zadnja opcija, dok se kod nas zna kako se zavrsava. Svako malo se te "fantasticne seme" pojave u novinama. Kombinacije ranga tinejdzera u srednjoj.
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    Evo bas sad izbaci Al Jazeera o avio-kompanijama koje smo pominjali neki dan...



    http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti...-val-stecajeva

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    u zadnje vrijeme primjecujem kako izvrsitelji bas imaju posla. vise niko strpljenja nema, samo utuzenja i naplate.
    lose, bas lose, a bice jos gore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goozica View Post
    u zadnje vrijeme primjecujem kako izvrsitelji bas imaju posla. vise niko strpljenja nema, samo utuzenja i naplate.
    lose, bas lose, a bice jos gore.

    Ja sam platila kaznu (jednu na ime firme a drugu na ime direktora) jer nisam na vrijeme predala završne račune. Nego sreća što je sudija izrekla najmanju kaznu, iako sam joj objašnjavala da u trenutku primanja poziva to je već bilo predato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Břgíńjĺ View Post
    Ja sam platila kaznu (jednu na ime firme a drugu na ime direktora) jer nisam na vrijeme predala završne račune. Nego sreća što je sudija izrekla najmanju kaznu, iako sam joj objašnjavala da u trenutku primanja poziva to je već bilo predato.
    moj post se odnosio na relaciju firmi dobavljaci-kupci, a ti si imala rok za predju (koji je produzen zbog korone), trenutak sudskog poziva ti ne znaci nista i ne oslobadja te kazne.
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    Samo gledam kako se lokal za lokalom prazni i stavlja na vrata "izdaje se".

    Ne izgleda dobro nikako.

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    Bio sam nekoliko dana poslom u Pljevljima i BP. Pa se nekoliko puta provezoh kroz Platije. Nijedan restoran ne radi uz put. Rekoh da nije zatvoren MK ili Kolasin pa ne rade one drumske kafane. Juce bas pogledah koji su gradovi zatvoreni i samo je ocigledan manjak posla razlog zatvaranja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goozica View Post
    u zadnje vrijeme primjecujem kako izvrsitelji bas imaju posla. vise niko strpljenja nema, samo utuzenja i naplate.
    lose, bas lose, a bice jos gore.
    Jer su to utuzenja stara preko 6 mjeseci a najcesce godinu. Niko nece da ceka da vidi hoce li neko da posalje firmu u stecaj i da se pozdravi sa parama. Svi nedje su na ivici strpljenja sa parama. I nisu to dugovi od mjesec dana, vec je svaki oko 6 mjeseci do godinu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Jer su to utuzenja stara preko 6 mjeseci a najcesce godinu. Niko nece da ceka da vidi hoce li neko da posalje firmu u stecaj i da se pozdravi sa parama. Svi nedje su na ivici strpljenja sa parama. I nisu to dugovi od mjesec dana, vec je svaki oko 6 mjeseci do godinu

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    ima ih i kracih. bar ove sto sam ja vidjela.

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    S obzirom da je ovaj ekonomski tigar bazirao poslovanje na trampi iliti kompenzaciji a da je vecina poslovanja se svodilo na placanje kad mozes i koliko imas, ovo nam je samo napravilo presjek stanja.
    Interni dugovi CG firmi na prinudnoj naplati ili kroz stecaj su 800 miliona i vecina nenaplativa.
    Kako je trazenje avansa ili bankarske garancije pocelo da se trazi naveliko, mislim da ce se brzo ovo spiralno sunovratiti.
    Jer su ovako poslovali sa prometom od 5 eura kao i oni sa prometom od milion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Bio sam nekoliko dana poslom u Pljevljima i BP. Pa se nekoliko puta provezoh kroz Platije. Nijedan restoran ne radi uz put. Rekoh da nije zatvoren MK ili Kolasin pa ne rade one drumske kafane. Juce bas pogledah koji su gradovi zatvoreni i samo je ocigledan manjak posla razlog zatvaranja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefke View Post
    Kolasin nije radio (tj tek danas su opet otvorili)
    E hvala. Rekoh sta je ovo, a stalno neletim na stare izvjestaje dje je rad ugostiteljskih objekata u kolasinu odobren do 22 sata

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Raiser View Post
    Interni dugovi CG firmi na prinudnoj naplati ili kroz stecaj su 800 miliona i vecina nenaplativa.
    Odakle ti ovaj podatak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hercules View Post
    Odakle ti ovaj podatak?
    Taj podatak (ja sam ga čuo, naša lokalna radio stanica prenosi njihove vijesti) o unutrašnjem dugu sam čuo na Rado Slobodna Evropa, ne sjećam da li bila baš ta brojka od 800 miliona. To je rečeno u okviru priloga o koroni.

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    Čisto da imate kratki pregled to je COVID-19 uradio od ekonomije svih zemalja.

    https://www.ft.com/content/18527e0c-...b-c26c3680c8ad
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    Quote Originally Posted by hercules View Post
    Čisto da imate kratki pregled to je COVID-19 uradio od ekonomije svih zemalja.

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    Probaj 2-3 refreshprođe nekad. Svakako evo teksta.

    Pandemic fuels global ‘debt tsunami’

    Governments and companies took on $15tn more borrowing in first nine months of 2020, says IIF


    Global debt rose at an unprecedented pace in the first nine months of the year as governments and companies embarked on a “debt tsunami” in the face of the coronavirus crisis, according to new research.The pace of debt accumulation will leave the global economy struggling to reduce borrowing in the future without “significant adverse implications for economic activity”, the Institute of International Finance warned on Wednesday.The total level of global indebtedness has increased by $15tn this year, leaving it on track to exceed $277tn in 2020, said the IIF, which represents financial institutions. It expects total debt to reach 365 per cent of global gross domestic product by the end of the year, surging from 320 per cent at the end of 2019.Debt burdens are especially onerous in emerging markets, having risen by 26 percentage points so far this year to approach 250 per cent of GDP, the IIF said. The share of EM governments’ revenues spent on repayments has also risen sharply this year, according to IIF data.This week Zambia became the sixth developing country to default or restructure debts in 2020. More defaults are expected as the cost of the pandemic mounts.The G20 group of the world’s largest economies has launched an initiative that has so far allowed 46 of the world’s poorest countries to delay about $5bn in debt repayments due this year. They are also edging towards unlocking additional IMF funds for poorer nations.But analysts said more action was needed to fend off the rising risk of a fiscal crisis in a large number of developing countries.

    Luis Oganes, head of emerging market research at JPMorgan, said emerging economies ran the risk of rising inflation if they sought to monetise debt by buying their own bonds, as some have done this year, or of deflation if they allowed debts to rise too far.“High debt levels will lead to zombie banks and zombie companies that constrain growth,” he said.Since the start of the pandemic, leading central banks have cut interest rates and pumped monetary stimulus into the world economy, which has helped to lower borrowing costs worldwide. Despite this, collapsing tax revenues have made emerging market debts much harder to service.Some $7tn of debt will have to be repaid by borrowers in emerging markets between now and the end of next year, according to IIF estimates, of which about 15 per cent is in US dollars, exposing debtors to the risk of currency fluctuations.

    Emre Tiftik, IIF director of sustainability research, said debt levels had risen much faster than anticipated at the start of the crisis.From 2016 to the end of September, global debt rose by $52tn; that compares with an increase of $6tn between 2012 and 2016. The pace of growth in global GDP changed little over that period until the onset of the pandemic triggered a historic recession.The change in debt — without a corresponding change in the pace of output growth — “suggests we are seeing a significant reduction in the GDP-generating capacity of debt”, Mr Tiftik said. “Aggressive support measures will be with us for some time and will inevitably increase debt significantly.”The rise in emerging market debt was driven by a surge in non-financial corporate debt in China, bringing total emerging market indebtedness to $76tn. Excluding China, the US dollar value of debts in other emerging markets declined this year, reflecting the falling value of local currencies against the dollar.Mr Tiftik said financial institutions had tried to “build buffers against the Covid shock”. “A significant proportion of their new debts has been directed to clients, which has been very useful in absorbing the initial shock of the crisis,” he said.Debts in advanced economies rose by more than 50 percentage points this year to hit 432 per cent of GDP by the end of September. The US accounted for nearly half of this; its debts are set to reach $80tn this year, from $71tn at the end of 2019.
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    Ono kad ti je turizam jedina privredna grana koju imas u zemlji. I onda kad dodje nepredvidljiva situacija, gotov si.



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    bitno je da smo zatvorili granice i da smo se spasili korone..oh wait
    She is only here to annoy herself!

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    Odličan motiv da se napokon počne razmišljati o poljoprivredi i proizvodnji hrane. Taman može nova vlada kad ode u prvu posjetu Briselu da se informiše o pristupnim fondovima i mogućnostima finansiranja raznih projekata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starwalker View Post
    Odličan motiv da se napokon počne razmišljati o poljoprivredi i proizvodnji hrane. Taman može nova vlada kad ode u prvu posjetu Briselu da se informiše o pristupnim fondovima i mogućnostima finansiranja raznih projekata.

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    Ocigledna lekcija da turizam ne moze i ne smije biti jedina privredna grana na cijoj pociva citava zemlja.

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    Ni jedna grana ne smije da bude dominantna niđe.

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