Poziv na glasanje za crnogorsku wikipediju!

[Ego_and_his_own]

I "kolege" su se organizovale doduse kasno:

http://www2.serbiancafe.com/lat/disk...9067971.html?0

[Iggy]

Kad se otprilike moze ocekivati ta odluka?

Eo nas primise i u partnerstvo za mir, a oni jos dumaju sto ce
c c c

[Ego_and_his_own]

Sasvim slucajno nadjem da se diskusija vodi na mailing listi, gdje se iznijelo dosta nagadjanja povodom nase wikipedije.

Polemika se nastavila na mailing listu, zaista sam iznenadjen sa reakcijama nekih ljudi tamo. Ovaj put sam ih morao napanuti jer su poceli da izmisljaju neke stvari.

Na primjer eto predvidjaju kako ce Crnogorska wikipedija da bude mjesto vandalizma.... Potpuno iracionalno. Zato sto nisu spremni da se suprostave pojedincima ili grupacijama sad Crna Gora to treba da plati. Besmisleno da ne kazem bezobrazno. Postali su VIDOVITI.


Molio bih vas ako imate ikakve reference ka nasem jeziku da postujete, Cipur je sa svojim postovima vec pomogao.

[Ego_and_his_own]

Zahtjev je odbijen odlukom podkomiteta za jezike, obrazlozenje odluke:

This request has been rejected following discussion with the Special projects language subcommittee. Wikis should not be split along political lines, and we encourage Montenegrin editors to collaborate with Serbian editors in a single wiki or, at the very least, to have Montenegrin pages alongside Serbian pages. If political divisions make this difficult, please note that the Wikimedia Foundation's goal is giving every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all human knowledge, and not information from individual political communities.

[E-1]

pi ***** jedna

[eskim]

Je li moguce da se ovo desilo?

Pa oni podrivaju osnove na kojima su postavljeni, prije ili kasnije morace da puste nasu wikipediju, to se na kraju svodi na osnovno ljudsko pravo!

Jednostavno ne kapiraju da smo mi dva razlichita naroda sa svim svojim osobenostima i svjim nachinom gledanja na svijet i svoju okolinu.

Je li moguce da su toliko korumpirani da su podlegli pod pritiskom raznorasnih "lobija"?

Znaju li oni uopshte dje je Crna Gora?

Pih P.I.M!

Ego brate daj link dje mogu da se uloze zalbe na odluku (da im se ispljuje sve shto imaju!)

[Ego_and_his_own]

Evo pokusavam da nadjem, vec sam ih pozvao da obrazloze ovu odluku.

Necemo odustat tako lako.

[Ego_and_his_own]

please note that the Wikimedia Foundation's goal is giving every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all human knowledge, and not information from individual political communities.

kako da ne, vidim odlicno.

[Nikollaki]

Usra lav rabotu... Izjedoshe jagnje...

[Ego_and_his_own]

Usra lav rabotu... Izjedoshe jagnje...

bice prije stado Nikollaki.... No cek da vidimo sto ce ucinjet Lav.... ovaj crnogorski.

[Ego_and_his_own]

Pozvao sam komitet da iznese dokaze za ovakve tvrdnje i da obrazlozi detaljnije svoju odluku.

Takodje sam iznio podatke o svemu sta se desilo i pozvao misljenje zajednice po ovom pitanju.

Prozvao sam ljude koji su uradili odredjene poteze a koji su potencijalo doprinijeli ovakvom pristupu i resenju ovog zahtjeva.

takodje sam uradio analizu uticaja/ucestvovanja Srpske zajednice na mediawiki i dosao do interesantnih podataka koje cu kasnije iznijeti ovdje.

[Ego_and_his_own]

On Montenegrin request for new wikipedia I found this resolution:

**This request has been rejected following discussion with the Special
projects language subcommittee
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special_projects_subcommittees/Languages>.
Wikis should not be split along political lines, and we encourage
Montenegrin editors to collaborate with Serbian editors in a single wiki
or, at the very least, to have Montenegrin pages alongside Serbian
pages. If political divisions make this difficult, please note that the
Wikimedia Foundation's goal is giving every single person free,
/unbiased/ access to the sum of all human knowledge, and not information
from individual political communities.**

I am asking members of Special projects language subcommittee to give
evidence that this request was driven by political lines. I am asking
for reference in past that committee has made same decision on same
situation. I am asking members of committee to give deeper guidelines to
us what should we do next in this situation.

Also wider explanation of this decision could be helpful.

Thank you,

Ovo je zvanicni poziv od NVO ITAM-a

[Ego_and_his_own]

To others that find this interesting,

I have found that this decision is very biased, as it is based on
assumptions not on arguments. I have tried to communicate with members
of subcommittee but They found it unrelevant and made decision to deny
this request (you will find my attempt on this mailing list). The
explanation is colored by political vocabulary with no particular
reason, it is only driven on assumption - not real facts at least they
didn't show them.

On request page was started a "war" against Montenegrin wikipedia
where mostly Serbs voted against Montenegrin Wikipedia. Legitimate
votes, but Montenegrin votes was deleted and marked as sock puppets -
even it was not true. I don't understand why stewards dint check this
votes again, but on page you will find many accusation on my name that
stewards/Admin didn't try to clear. Why? I don't understand. I have
called them several times but with no success.
Our test wiki (wikii.itam.ws) was attacked several days by members of
meta wiki on Mediawiki website originated from Serbia, deleting our
pages and mocking on our State name changing it to Albania,etc. We lost
several days in fight against vandals and tried to talk with stewards
about what happen on meta request page, this was very difficult to us,
but stewards didn't reacted swift in this situation clearing up the
discussion there (maybe they did have some other work to do I don't
know). I have called them about 20 times. At end I was blocked by no
particular reason, and discussion was heated by some serbs which
political agitated and insulted some people from Montenegro. That made
reaction that leaded to page protection.
I have talked with stewards about my ban on meta and they agreed to
unblock me and to give me a chance to explain all on my talk
page(user:Ego_and_his_own). On which I was also false accused, but no
one reacted.
Page was on subcommittee "desk" almost a week before new policy was on
stage, but never less the request was judged on new policy, this is not
normal in common law or in common decision making rules. But never less
on that page request there was more than 5 people willing to contribute
to Montenegrin wikipedia, which is basic rule from new policy. In
discussion also was enough material to be positive to this request. At
least to ask for some clearance on some questions, but members of
committee didn't find this necessary.

I would like to see some of yours opinions regarding this issue as this
looks very strange to me.

Thank you

[Ego_and_his_own]

Jedan od clanova podkomiteta mi je rekao da je spreman da diskutuje o ovome. javicu ako bude opet nesto novo.

[Ego_and_his_own]

Dje ste lavovi?

[Iggy]

Ja pokusavam da provalim dje ti ovo diskutujes sa njima, pa da se pokusam ukljucit, mada nisam bas potpuno familiar sa pravilima Wiki-a.

Daj neke smjernice

[LadyDaytona]

Usra lav rabotu... Izjedoshe jagnje...

Kako te nije sramota...
Ego se bori sam sa chitavom komisijom, sa chitavom Miloshevicevom ergelom admina koji su aktivirali sve chlanove srbijanskih foruma.. a ti o s**nju?
Da Ego, dje su Crnogorski Lavovi?
Chekaju da drugi zavrshavaju dok oni gledaju dje ko qaqi...
ma....englezi..

[Iggy]

Kako te nije sramota...
Ego se bori sam sa chitavom komisijom, sa chitavom Miloshevicevom ergelom admina koji su aktivirali sve chlanove srbijanskih foruma.. a ti o s**nju?
Da Ego, dje su Crnogorski Lavovi?
Chekaju da drugi zavrshavaju dok oni gledaju dje ko qaqi...
ma....englezi..

E izvini portparolu sto se ukljucih.

[metalac]

Je li moguce da se ovo desilo?

Pa oni podrivaju osnove na kojima su postavljeni, prije ili kasnije morace da puste nasu wikipediju, to se na kraju svodi na osnovno ljudsko pravo!

ahahahaahahahahahahahaahahaha. Jebo milione ljudi sto umiru od side, stotine hiljada ljudi sto umiru u Darfuru, milioni djece sto umiru od gladi, dajte nam Wiki jer to je OSNOVNO LJUDSKO PRAVO.

[metalac]

please note that the Wikimedia Foundation's goal is giving every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all human knowledge, and not information from individual political communities.

kako da ne, vidim odlicno.

a sta jel to ti nerazumijes srpski, hrvatski ili bosanski?

[N_L]

@metalac,
ja te jezike tesko razumijem
:P

[metalac]

@metalac,
ja te jezike tesko razumijem
:P

heheh . Pa poenta ovog wiki "pravila" sto je ego naveo je da wikipedia ima go da pruzi istu informaciju svima i da svi mogu razumjeti. E sada imati dva wikija gdje se srbi svadjaju da je Dejo Savicecic srbin a crnogorci na svom da je crnogorac a ovamo da bosanci govore kako se ipak najbolje proveo u bosni i da hrvati kazu kako je vazda u dalmaciju na more isao nema potrebe stvarno.

Mene niko neslusa ali ipak bi ipak to bilo najproduktivnije.

[LadyDaytona]

iggi, nisam tebi nista napisala nego prochitaj koga sam citirala i sta sam prokomentarisala...
poz.

[shrek]

Ego brate daj link dje mogu da se uloze zalbe na odluku (da im se ispljuje sve shto imaju!)

Ela brate, daj link da im ga lijepo kazem!!

Ne mogu da vjerujem! PIH! Samo nas jad od ovih Srba nalazi...

[shrek]

heheh . Pa poenta ovog wiki "pravila" sto je ego naveo je da wikipedia ima go da pruzi istu informaciju svima i da svi mogu razumjeti. E sada imati dva wikija gdje se srbi svadjaju da je Dejo Savicecic srbin a crnogorci na svom da je crnogorac a ovamo da bosanci govore kako se ipak najbolje proveo u bosni i da hrvati kazu kako je vazda u dalmaciju na more isao nema potrebe stvarno.

Mene niko neslusa ali ipak bi ipak to bilo najproduktivnije.

Ma razumi da necu da djelim nista sa takvima. Uostalom, zar se nece svadjati i na istom wikiju sta je Dejo?
Neka brate, eto vama srpska pa se lazite do zore i nek vam bude Srbija do Tokija. Ali ostavi nas na miru. Niko te nece cerat da citas realnost, pa uzivaj u srpskim bajkama.