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    Yoga is not about becoming more of who the world thinks we are.
    It's about becoming less of who we're not.
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    Zanima me mišljenje članova foruma o jednom istorijsko-duhovnom fenomenu: uprkos dubokoj i razrađenoj duhovnoj tradiciji hinduizma — koja uključuje Vede, Upanišade, Bhagavad Gitu, praksu joge, meditacije, pojam karme i reinkarnacije, te koncept sveprožimajuće božanske svesti (brahmana) — veliki broj ljudi na indijskom potkontinentu kroz vjekove prešao je u islam. Danas se ti potomci u velikoj meri identifikuju kao Pakistanci i Bangladešani.

    Ne pitam ovo iz političkog, već iz metafizičkog i duhovnog ugla:

    Šta je u učenju islama moglo biti toliko privlačno i duhovno ubedljivo da su ljudi, čije su zajednice vekovima bile uronjene u veoma razvijene duhovne sisteme, odlučili da napuste svoju tradiciju?

    Da li je razlog bila jednostavnost islamskog monoteizma u odnosu na kompleksnost hindu panteona?

    Možda socijalni faktori (kastinski sistem, ekonomska neravnopravnost)?
    Ili je u pitanju bio dublji osećaj duhovne istine koji su ljudi prepoznali u poruci islama?
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    Kao i kod nas. Postoji odredjena korelacija izmedju islamskih osvajanja i islamizacije stanovništva. Da li je visoka korelacija posledica nasilja ili nečeg drugog… Ko zna, teke se ne vole medj sobom islamisti i hinduisti.
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    Kaste...klase... u hriscanstvu i islamu nema toga da si odredjen rodjenjem...

    Kod indusa se praktikuje magija i proricanje... a kod drugih?

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    Zanimljivo je kako, čim se pomene pitanje prelaska iz jedne vere u drugu, odmah iskoče istorijske činjenice: sablja, porez, društvene privilegije. Sve je to deo priče, da se razumemo. Ali mene i dalje muči ona tiha, metafizička dimenzija: šta ako su neki ljudi zaista poverovali? Ne zbog sile, nego jer su u poruci islama čuli nešto što ih je pogodilo, ne u džep, nego u dušu.
    Jer zamisli: rođen si u svetu u kojem postoji 330 miliona bogova, a ti ne znaš da li da se moliš onom sa slonovom glavom, onom sa trima očima ili onom koji voli maslac. Sve je duboko, sve je sveto — ali u isto vreme i sve je šifra. A onda ti sistem kaže da si po rođenju već obeležen: niži sloj, manja vrednost. Možda u sledećem životu, ako odigraš dobro ovaj.

    A duhovne vođe, gurui? Duga brada, skupi šalovi, i smešak koji podseća na reklamu za ajurvedske paste. Putuju svetom u privatnim avionima da bi propovedali odricanje. Imaju aplikacije, merch, zvanične parfeme. Za duhovno prosvetljenje, moliću lepo, klikni ovde, plati PayPalom. I naravno, nema garancije.
    U takvom okruženju, nije čudo da je poruka jednostavnog, ogoljenog monoteizma mogla da bude kao hladna voda u pustinji. Jedan Bog. Bez ikone. Bez posrednika. Nema kaste, nema horoskopa, nema „nosi ovaj kamen da ti se otvore čakre“. Samo ti i Bog — u odgovornosti, tišini, molitvi.

    Da, islam je jednostavniji. Ali možda je baš u toj jednostavnosti njegova snaga. Nema mesta za egzotičnu duhovnost u Gucci sandalama. Nema „guru subscription“. Samo post, milostinja, molitva, vera, hadž — i ogromna obaveza da si čovek.
    Zato i mislim da prelazak tih ljudi nije bio samo rezultat istorije. Možda su kroz sve te rituale, mantre, ponavljanja i astrološke tabele zapravo tragali za Jednim i kad su čuli ezan, čuli su konačno nešto što nije tražilo pare, nije obećavalo karijerni uspeh kroz karmu, i nije nudilo nirvanu za 12 dolara mesečno.
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    Ja mislim da grijesis sve se vrti oko para ni Islam je za sirotinju a kamoli hindu... hinduizam nisu izmislili politicari oko svog programa nego narod...

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    Ima islam te svoje sirovosti i nerafiniranosti koja za mene bar ima svoju ljepotu baš kao i maslinovo ulje.

    I osvajački ratovi i fejk gurui imaju jednu zajedničku odliku. To je nasilje. Intelektualno ili fizičko, vidljivo ili manje nebitno je. Recimo da to nasilje čini odredjenu religiju “popularnom” na odredjenom prostoru i u odredjeno vrijeme. Ali nije tačno da je to nasilje izvor doktrine i ,važnije, da ta religija uzrokuje nasilje. Korelacija koju sam namjerno pomenuo ranije nije dvostrana kako se to čini neiskusnom oku. Tačno je da veća frekvencija vremenskih nepogoda vodi rastu broja polisa osiguranja ali da li rast broja polisa vodi ka rastu broja nepogoda?

    Druga stvar, svaka religija ima svoj egzoterijski i ezoterijski aspekt. Tvrditi da neka religija ima samo taj ezoterijski, a ostale samo egzoterijski aspekt je recimo “neobično”.

    Razmišljanje na ovaj način zapravo nosi sjeme nasilja bez obzira kako fino i učtivo bilo izneseno. Pravljenje razlika, isticanje jednih u odnosu na druge kad u mnoštvu treba vidjeti Jedno može samo da stvori rat i razdor .
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    The Ocean refuses no river, no river....The Open Heart refuses no part of Me, no part of You....

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    Svaki dan je dobar za upiranje.

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    Svaki dan je dobar za upiranje.

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    Go "spank" yourself. Seriously. Intentionally exposing yourself to a painful, but not harmful, experience for a minute or two, and it profoundly changes your brain's neurotransmitters. And then it's much easier to feel pleasure throughout the day, because it's not just a dopamine wave, it's all changing your brain's sensitivity to dopamine

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    “Clarity is denied when the mind observes with a conclusion.” JK (nije Karlleuša)
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    Da nije možda Jiddu Krishnamurti?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atejista Vljernik View Post
    Da nije možda Jiddu Krishnamurti?
    Jiddu je tačan odgovor. 10 poena za mladjanog ATV.
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    Svaki dan je dobar za upiranje.

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    "Relax and your meditation will be easy.

    Keep your mind steady by gently warding off all intruding thoughts but without strain.

    Soon you will succeed."

    Ramana Maharshi
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    Our main priority is to be happy, to be content, to be fulfilled. Of course, our happiness, contentment and fulfillment may be attained through achievement.

    We want to achieve and we want to grow, to gain strength, wealth, and greater influence and effectiveness. What is important during challenging times is to be realistic about what is happening in our life and remember that we can be happy even if our other goals are delayed a little bit because of circumstances that we cannot control.

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    Everyone wants to heal until the medicine shows up in the form of discipline.
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    Svaki dan je dobar za upiranje.

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    Practice the pause. When in doubt, pause. When angry, pause. When tired, pause. When stressed, pause. And when u pause, keep calm.
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    Modern luxury is the ability to think clearly, sleep deeply, move slowly & live quietly in a world designed to prevent all four.
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    "I don't think existence wants you to be serious. I have not seen a serious tree. I have not seen a serious bird. I have not seen a serious sunrise. I have not seen a serious starry night.
    It seems they are all laughing in their own ways, dancing in their own ways. We may not understand it, but there is a subtle feeling that the whole existence is a celebration."
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