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    Pocetak kraja ove civilizacije...


    Trumpov govor in a nutshell





    Prica covjek vraticemo narodu vlas' a postavio najbogatiji kabinet od kad je Amerike ... Kakva dileja
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    Zašto se tako negativni? Balon je morao da pukne
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Sta reci... sto napravismo na ovu planetu nije ni meni jasno. Da se malo coek izdigne iz ove svakodnevnice i posmatra Planetu sa nekih 30 kilometara iz orbite, sagleda kakve smo procese stvorili, dugove, ratove, banke, oruzje, podjele... samo jedan meteor da rokne i pospremi nas sve. Sve oko cega se ljudi nerviraju, muce, bore, sve toliko nebitno. Ne znam kako je ovo najvece dostignuce nase civilizacije. Ne mozemo dokuciti univerzum, a ni zasto smo ovakvi kakvi jesmo. Da mozemo vjerovatno bi bolje radili i imali planetu ravnoteze. Ali to je utopija.

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    Ma da, svak radi ono što misli da je za njega dobro.
    Nego, Melaniji super stoji ovaj svjetlo plavi kapotić.
    Nije lako, ali je jako rođaci.

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    @Ulix the modna blogerka

    Neke zamjerke na govor?
    Nista novo, standardno ka svaki predsjednik sto obecava med i mlijeko a i sve je ponovio sa pocetka kandidature. Da si Amer ima bi se cemu nadat, za razliku npr Njemacke, Japana, Koreje, (va)Dzajne. Naravno, ovo sve na osnovu rijeci, a djela sto ce pokazat... Ipak postoji doza enigme, uprkos dosta losim potezima (vezano za njega, a i onih koje je odabra) u proslosti i dalje se ne zna pouzdanije sta i kako ce da rade. Mada, i to je normalno, po onome sto je Obama govorio reka bi covjek utopija ce cetat svudje u svijetu.

    Sto se dosadasnjih govora tice, jedino dje je dosljedan, jeste u napadanju azijskih zemalja. Prije nedje nadjoh njegov intervju, koji je da prije 20-30 godina, gdje je napada Japan, a sada je u centru mete vaDzajna.

    Sto se tice skupa, slabo. Sto se tice one djevojke sto je pjevala himnu, samno neka je zdravo. Ko je inace ona, ne cuh ime? Lici ka da mu je neka od cerki

    Rekose da je bilo protesta, sa maskiranim licima, po meni vrlo losa slika protesta. Sem ako policija nije odmah upotrijebila suzavac pa su morali da stave marame i sl.

    edit: vizavi govora,

    Pohvala za spominjanje nauke. Jedino me smorio kad je Boga ukljucio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulix View Post
    Ma da, svak radi ono što misli da je za njega dobro.
    Nego, Melaniji super stoji ovaj svjetlo plavi kapotić.
    Mačka je, svega mi.

    Nisam neki veliki fan Trampa, baš ne znam šta da očekujem od njega. Što se tiče EU, nadam se da ako on umanji sveru uticaja nad istom, dako konačno pokažu cojones u spoljnoj a donekle i unutrašnjoj politici. EU je na raskrsnici, a ovaj sistem je odavno daleko od optimalnog funkcionisanja.

    Pošto je čika Donald veliki biznismen, nemam neke bojazni da će nešto loše uraditi što se tiče ekonomije SAD-a, ona će vjerovatno biti na najboljem nivou od poslednje ekonomske krize.

    Mene samo brine što on nema nikakvo političko iskustvo, a samim tim me i brinu njegovi budući stavovi koji se tiču tradicionalnih (ne)prijatelja - Rusije i Kine. Zanimljivo, on je etiketirao Kinu kao zemlju sa kojom će zaoštriti odnose, dok uspavani džin iznenađujuće ne daje znake da ih te izjave previše dotiču.

    Zanimljiv period nas čeka, to je definitivno.

    Gledajući skoriju istoriju, mogu da konstatujem da smo većina nas doživjeli sve: rušenje kula blizankinja, invazija Iraka i Avganistana, prvog crnca predsjednika, prvog US predsjednika koji je posjetio Laos i Kubu, poboljšanje odnosa sa Iranom još od '79.. naravno dosta je tu i mračnih stvari pored prve 3 navede stavke (Libija, Sirija itd). Poenta je - vidjeli smo dosta i vidjeli smo svašta. Po mom nekom skromnom mišljenju, sa čika Donaldom dolazi neka vrsta istorijske prekretnice, a nadam se da ćemo vidjeti mnogo pozitivnijih stvari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd View Post
    a nadam se da ćemo vidjeti mnogo pozitivnijih stvari.
    Kazu da nada poslednja umire. Ali imaj na umu da je glavni strateg Steve Bannon. Ne znam koliko znas o njemu i njegovoj "ideologiji". Ali za razliku od Trampa radi se o izuzetno inteligentnom ali istovremeno izuzetno opasnom covjeku. Nisu slucajno svi ovi klovnovi za koje ne postoji ni najmanja teorijska sansa da posao obavljaju adekvatno postavljeni na tako vazne funkcije.

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    Nije lako, ali je jako rođaci.

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    - Mr. Trump, how will we know that America has become great again?
    - I'll tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanjaTheMan View Post
    Kazu da nada poslednja umire. Ali imaj na umu da je glavni strateg Steve Bannon. Ne znam koliko znas o njemu i njegovoj "ideologiji". Ali za razliku od Trampa radi se o izuzetno inteligentnom ali istovremeno izuzetno opasnom covjeku. Nisu slucajno svi ovi klovnovi za koje ne postoji ni najmanja teorijska sansa da posao obavljaju adekvatno postavljeni na tako vazne funkcije.

    I čika Donald je jako opasan, vrlo je ograničenih pogleda bez ikakvog iskustva u politici a na mjestu je najmoćnije osobe na planeti.. Establišment njegov mi se ni malo ne dopada, eto da se nadam da će nešto i dobro izaći - ALI....
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    Govor je za čistu desetku !!! Ukratko spreman je da razgovara o zoni intresa sa ostalim silama i nema namjeru da Američka vojska štiti ostale države zbog neke ideologije već za novac koji će se ulagat u njihovu industriju !!! Prilično poštena ponuda prije svega EU pa ili da prave svoju vojsku ili da počnu izdvajat dobre pare za bezbijednost ukoliko su ugroženi a već je prije neki dan kritikovao Merkel kako je uvezla teroriste ničim izazvana !!! Ako se on bude držao govora nema brige za globalni mir i zajednički prosperitet pa sa te strane svi treba da budu spokojni !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd View Post
    vrlo je ograničenih pogleda bez ikakvog iskustva u politici a na mjestu je najmoćnije osobe na planeti
    Zbog boldovanog (izmedju ostalog) i mislim da neboldovano nije bas tacno ako se situacija pogleda dalje od povrsine i da je Steve Bannon taj koji vlada iz sijenke.

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    Inache ogranicheni ljudi bez iskustva dolaze na mjesto najuticajnije osobe na svijetu... Neka ti zajebancije...

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    Last edited by night_silence; 20-01-17 at 22:36.
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    Govor mi se svidio.Vrijeme ce pokazati da li je pravi izbor,ali svakako mislim da gori od Klintonove ne moze bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanjaTheMan View Post
    Zbog boldovanog (izmedju ostalog) i mislim da neboldovano nije bas tacno ako se situacija pogleda dalje od povrsine i da je Steve Bannon taj koji vlada iz sijenke.
    Dakle da parafraziram, ima dosta ograničenih političkih ideja, a o njegovim predizbornim obećanjima da ne govorim. Imao sam prilike dosta puta da vidim šta on obećava i kako se nonšalantno igra sa nekim ciframa, procesima, odnosima itd.. Ne sporim ja to da je on veliki biznismen, sa toliko bankrota iza njega (i ponovnih uzdizanja), tu mi uopšte nije sporan. E sad, da li je sva ta uskogrudost jedna velika izborna predstava, saznaćemo uskoro.

    Do skora je bio veliki demokrata nazivajući republikance, bukvalno rečeno retardima. Pa kad je odbijen mijenja ploču - a ostalo je istorija.

    A i Stiv, kao iza kulisni mastermajnd će vjerovatno mnogo uticati na njega.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night_silence View Post
    Govor je za čistu desetku !!! Ukratko spreman je da razgovara o zoni intresa sa ostalim silama i nema namjeru da Američka vojska štiti ostale države zbog neke ideologije već za novac koji će se ulagat u njihovu industriju !!! Prilično poštena ponuda prije svega EU pa ili da prave svoju vojsku ili da počnu izdvajat dobre pare za bezbijednost ukoliko su ugroženi a već je prije neki dan kritikovao Merkel kako je uvezla teroriste ničim izazvana !!! Ako se on bude držao govora nema brige za globalni mir i zajednički prosperitet pa sa te strane svi treba da budu spokojni !!!
    Kad ta avetinja nekoga napada to mu gotovo dodje kao komliment. Svijet treba braniti od Amerike a ne da ona nekoga brani.S kim je to EU ratovala da bi joj trebala njegova pomoć ili njegova vojska? EU trpi zbog mesetarenja americkog i najvise lopovcine danasnjice Sorosa. Ako se bude drzao govora i okrene Americi da gradi puteve, mostove.... svijet ne treba spasavati

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    Below is the full text of President Trump's inaugural speech:

    Chief Justice Roberts, President Carter, President Clinton, President Bush, President Obama, fellow Americans, and people of the world: thank you.
    We, the citizens of America, are now joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country and to restore its promise for all of our people.
    Together, we will determine the course of America and the world for years to come.
    We will face challenges. We will confront hardships. But we will get the job done.
    Every four years, we gather on these steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. They have been magnificent.
    Today’s ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one Administration to another, or from one party to another – but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People.
    For too long, a small group in our nation’s Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost.
    Washington flourished – but the people did not share in its wealth.
    Politicians prospered – but the jobs left, and the factories closed.
    The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country.
    Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation’s Capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.
    That all changes – starting right here, and right now, because this moment is your moment: it belongs to you.
    It belongs to everyone gathered here today and everyone watching all across America.
    This is your day. This is your celebration.
    And this, the United States of America, is your country.
    What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people.
    January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again.
    The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.
    Everyone is listening to you now.
    You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement the likes of which the world has never seen before.
    At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction: that a nation exists to serve its citizens.
    Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves.
    These are the just and reasonable demands of a righteous public.
    But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge; and the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.
    This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.
    We are one nation – and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny.
    The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans.
    For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry;
    Subsidized the armies of other countries while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military;
    We've defended other nation’s borders while refusing to defend our own;
    And spent trillions of dollars overseas while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.
    We’ve made other countries rich while the wealth, strength, and confidence of our country has disappeared over the horizon.
    One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions upon millions of American workers left behind.
    The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed across the entire world.
    But that is the past. And now we are looking only to the future.
    We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power.
    From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land.
    From this moment on, it’s going to be America First.
    Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families.
    We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs. Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength.
    I will fight for you with every breath in my body – and I will never, ever let you down.
    America will start winning again, winning like never before.
    We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders. We will bring back our wealth. And we will bring back our dreams.
    We will build new roads, and highways, and bridges, and airports, and tunnels, and railways all across our wonderful nation.
    We will get our people off of welfare and back to work – rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor.
    We will follow two simple rules: Buy American and Hire American.
    We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world – but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.
    We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to follow.
    We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones – and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.
    At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.
    When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.
    The Bible tells us, “how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity.”
    We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity.
    When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.
    There should be no fear – we are protected, and we will always be protected.
    We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement and, most importantly, we are protected by God.
    Finally, we must think big and dream even bigger.
    In America, we understand that a nation is only living as long as it is striving.
    We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action – constantly complaining but never doing anything about it.
    The time for empty talk is over.
    Now arrives the hour of action.
    Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America.
    We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again.
    We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow.
    A new national pride will stir our souls, lift our sights, and heal our divisions.
    It is time to remember that old wisdom our soldiers will never forget: that whether we are black or brown or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots, we all enjoy the same glorious freedoms, and we all salute the same great American Flag.
    And whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept plains of Nebraska, they look up at the same night sky, they fill their heart with the same dreams, and they are infused with the breath of life by the same almighty Creator.
    So to all Americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from mountain to mountain, and from ocean to ocean, hear these words:
    You will never be ignored again.
    Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams, will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.
    Together, We Will Make America Strong Again.
    We Will Make America Wealthy Again.
    We Will Make America Proud Again.
    We Will Make America Safe Again.
    And, Yes, Together, We Will Make America Great Again. Thank you, God Bless You, And God Bless America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Krisna View Post
    Kad ta avetinja nekoga napada to mu gotovo dodje kao komliment. Svijet treba braniti od Amerike a ne da ona nekoga brani.S kim je to EU ratovala da bi joj trebala njegova pomoć ili njegova vojska? EU trpi zbog mesetarenja americkog i najvise lopovcine danasnjice Sorosa. Ako se bude drzao govora i okrene Americi da gradi puteve, mostove.... svijet ne treba spasavati
    Mistlim da je @night_silence sarkastican. Jer Amerika nikad nidje nije nista branila tudje a da nije imala koristi, pa makar to bilo da pokaze svoj uticaj, da ucvrsti ili prosiri postojeci. Mrezu uticaja koju su gradili toliko decenija nece pokidati Tramp, pa da bude jos jednom izabran.
    Sa njim imam samo dva osjecaja,
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    ili nastavak postojeceg sa odredjenim malim oscilacijama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Krisna View Post
    Kad ta avetinja nekoga napada to mu gotovo dodje kao komliment. Svijet treba braniti od Amerike a ne da ona nekoga brani.S kim je to EU ratovala da bi joj trebala njegova pomoć ili njegova vojska? EU trpi zbog mesetarenja americkog i najvise lopovcine danasnjice Sorosa. Ako se bude drzao govora i okrene Americi da gradi puteve, mostove.... svijet ne treba spasavati
    Što se toga tiče isti taj Soroš je imao plan da UK i USA zatrpa izbjeglicama kao što je pravio flajere dje ih je upućivao u Njemačku ali ovi mu nisu dali da to sprovede !!! Tramp ga je optužio za organizovanje protesta dje su palili zastavu Amerike tako da su oni sa te strane skinuli odgovornost sa sebe !!! Sad što Evropski državnici skidaju gaće prije nego što se to uopšte zatraži od njih ( čast izuzetcima kao Orban ) je problem Evrope i sad kad već imaju problem moraju platit školu ...
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    Nije bas tacno prenesen govor, ali ovoga se dobro sjecam

    There should be no fear – we are protected, and we will always be protected.
    We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement and, most importantly,
    odje idu 3 tacke...
    we WILL BE protected by God.
    Da sam gradjanin Amerije, tako bi me diza diza diza govorom, a onda ovo zadnje, kako me poreza, mozak me fisnuo.
    U neki Arkanzas bi bilo obrnuto.

    edit: isto me Obama poreza kad je reka Rusiji, "no no no no, a ne smijete vi da okupirate tudje teritorije" :lolblue:
    Last edited by St.Dzonny; 21-01-17 at 00:04. Reason: (ili male drzave)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maja View Post
    Overlord, samo na dan D - 2500 Amerikanaca mladih zivota USA je eliminisano, a tek nadalje... Samo u toj akciji 11 560 aviona i 6903 brodova.. Gratis za kukavicluk i veleizdaje vlada drzava Evrope. Nesposobni i potkupljeni su prodali svoje drzave i stavili sopstveni narod na nemilost ludacima i ubicama. Za izgradnju Evrope gratis pa i za nezahvalne jade Jugoslavije ... Amerika se zrtvovala na svaki nacin i u ljudstvu (nizasta i za nezahvalnike) i materijalno.
    Izbacite istoriju iz skola.. Zaludnost ukoliko je svaka eticka zahvalnost na dnevnopartijskim linijama.
    Etiku treba uvesti i to kao glavni predmet od vrtica do kraja skolovanja.
    Trebalo bi.. bi.. ali kasno..
    Divna parada za Predsjednika USA. Nista komunisticko-ateisticke parade sile, moci, oruzja, vojnog orudja, a bez gatja svi.
    Nadam se da ce bar u USA izvrsiti renesansu ljudskih vrijednosti.. Evropa je ........... trotj.

    Grehota je pricati o tome, jer je prolivena krv, ali posto se prica onda mozemo i objektivno sagledati stvari. Evropa, Australija, treba vjecno biti zahvalna na pomoci koje Amerika pruzila, cak i nakon zavrsetka rata. Ali.
    Da li bi bilo bolje Americi da ima diplomatske odnose sa nacistickom Evropom? ili mozda sa Sovjetskom Evropom? Nacisti/Sovjeti sa jedne a Japansko carstvo sa druge, ne zvuci bas kao neka primamljiva opcija.
    Samsung treba da bude vjecito zahvalan Americi i Kini sto su im omogucili da budu to sto jesu, naravno pored svog rukovodstva.

    Mnogo je ljepse stvarati tampone sa tudjim teritorijama nego da se krv proliva kod sebe. ( Ne pricam o ciklusnim zenskim tamponima )

    Podrska za etiku, uvijek sam za nju i uvodjenje u skolama, a ne djeca da se siluju i maltretiraju nebuloznim zatucanim bajkama.

    A sto se tice parade, ako je vjerovat izvorima, htjeli su finu vojnu paradu da odrze, ali odgovorni ljudi u americkoj armiji su rekli ne. Svaka cast.
    Last edited by St.Dzonny; 21-01-17 at 01:20.

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