mercedes jos nije izlazio an stazu jutros...kazu da imaju nekih problema sa elektronikom...
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mercedes jos nije izlazio an stazu jutros...kazu da imaju nekih problema sa elektronikom...
Delphi ili Magneti Marelli? :)
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Originally Posted by kimi pg
Bosch.
Ferkani nastavljaju da dominiraju ovim testovima....
:)
McLaren racing director Eric Boullier says Ferrari's form is the one that has caught his eye, even though his own focus has been on the troubled star for Honda's new engine.
"But if I may say so, the Ferrari is surprising and people were not expecting Ferrari to be matching Mercedes' lap times.Red Bull are a bit down, but you never know the fuel level."
nema on pojma, neka zovne Fabiu da mu odma objasni zasto je ferrari tu, i kako da rijesi problem sa tim motorom hondinim
Sa uzivanjem cu da posmatram posrtanje RBR-a ove sezone.
A i Marko je juce rekao da ocekuje sredinom sezone da ce moci da konkurisu Mercedesu...nadam se za drugo mjesto u konkurenciji konstruktora....
iskreno, najvise me od njih strah...jedino moze da ih zezne renoov motor....a vele da je bolji nego ranije...
Ukoliko taj novi motor bude bolji od prošlogodišnjeg, RBR je favorit iz sjenke..
Kao da Ferrari a pogotovo Merc na umiju napravit motor da valja...
Mogu i bolji, alli mislim da nemaju šanse sa aero paketom RBR-a, tačnije Newey-a, koji će uvijek nešto novo izmislit ili promuljat iz pravila..
"The Ferrari, for me, is without doubt the most stable car - millimetre precise and never really seeming to change line. You wouldn't know if it had five-lap old tyres or 25-lap old tyres on it, and it's good on both the soft and the medium compound.
"The Mercedes looks pretty reasonable on the soft tyres - still moving and with more understeer than the Ferrari - but not so good on the medium tyre, just no grip.
"Through that complex, the McLaren never looked good. Alonso couldn't get hard on the throttle out of Turn 2 - the car just starts moving - and I never saw him go into Turn 3 flat on the throttle.
Sky Sports understands Mercedes have been running their 2017 engine in conservative power modes to be sure of complete reliability.
It’s not known if Mercedes have suffered engine component failures on their factory-based test dynos but a team source confirmed that failures are a desirable occurrence – the point about running engines on test beds is so that it happens close to home, where quick and accessible fixes can be applied, rather than on the track
Mercedes will introduce an upgraded engine for the season-opening Australian GP on March 26, meaning that while Bottas and Hamilton’s lap times in the W08 are already impressive, there is likely to be even more performance gains to come from the world champions –if the engine is reliable.
Izvjesni gospodin G. Anderson, za bolje poznavaoce F1 prilika, osvjedoceni protivnik i zakleti neprijatelj svega sto u F1 nosi crvenu boju i znak propetog konjica, a nezvanicno jedan od najboljih analiticara F1 u modernoj eri, proveo je protekla tri dana testiranja, a moyda i ovaj danasnji u konstantnim hvalospjevima na racun Ferrarija i bolida koji na stazi u Barceloni radi ono sto ferrarijevim bolidima izglda nije u horoskopu zapisano. Ponasa se na stazi bolje od Mercedesa, i otprilike sa dvostruko tvrdjim komponentama guma postavlja gotovo istovjetna vremena sa Mercedesima.
Da li je Garry na nekoj drogi ili spanskom vinu, ne zna se, ali ukoliko i sledece nedjelje bude slicnih tekstova, neko ce se oybiljno zapitati sto se desava .. Da to nece biti Totto???
p.s
Zna li neko kome su stjuardi naredili nakon kontrole vjesanja da izvrsi korekcije zbog utvrdjenih nelegalnosti? MERC ili RBR???
nidjenije navedeno koja je ekipa...samo je receno da je jedan ekipa morala da napravi izmjene u skaldu sa novim pravilima...
pa buduci da ferrari nije sigurno takvo nesto radio, a ostali timovi izuzev mercedesa i RBR nemaju para za takve izlete u nepoznatom pravcu, sanse su 50/50. NIje da likujem nad ovim pokvarenjacima sto su cjelu proslu sezonu varali, ali vakat je da im se malo stane na rep.
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Originally Posted by HIPER
Merc je morao pod noz.
Mercedes admits Ferrari SF70H ‘really fast’
Toto Wolff says it is too soon to say Mercedes is still ahead of the field in 2017.
After the first of just two pre-season tests, the conventional wisdom is that Mercedes leads, Ferrari is close behind, and Red Bull is the third force.
But Mercedes team boss Wolff said: “Since we have these new rules, the teams are just trying to get a lot of mileage to know their cars.
“At Red Bull, we probably haven’t seen the car that will be in Melbourne. But Ferrari is really fast,” he admitted to Osterreich newspaper.
McLaren chief Eric Boullier admits that a pecking order is not possible to assess after four days of running, but he said Ferrari’s pace has been “surprising”.
“We did not expect to see them on the pace with the Mercedes. Red Bull seems a little behind, but we do not have all of the information to judge,” he is quoted by France’s Auto Hebdo.
“We may know a little more next week, but we really have to wait until Australia.”
Boullier may be surprised with what he saw in Barcelona, but Red Bull’s Max Verstappen seemed calm.
“Actually, nothing surprised me here,” he is quoted by Het Laatste Nieuws. “And I think everything is still within reach for us.”
Ranking the 2017 Formula 1 cars so far
Half of Formula 1's 2017 pre-season testing is complete. Who starred in the opening bout, and who has plenty of work to do?
By Gary Anderson Published on Friday March 3rd 2017
Judging car performance based on testing can be dangerous, given the number of variables in play. The different fuel loads, tyre compounds and run programmes means even to the trained eye it's only possible to pick some pointers towards where things really stand.
But that doesn't mean you learn nothing. Ferrari is clearly impressive and McLaren-Honda is clearly struggling yet again. By looking at the lap times, spending time watching the cars trackside and tuning in to paddock chatter, you can get a feel of where things stand.
Talking of watching trackside, it surprises me that this is something team personnel don't do more often. For example, I was watching at Turn 10 on Wednesday and on every lap Romain Grosjean was struggling with the rear on turn-in, and probably complaining about it to the Haas team. If someone had been watching they could have told him he was braking about two car lengths later than anyone else. Things like that matter.
So how do you draw any conclusions from the lap times? While I don't quite have the same analytical power as all of the teams, there are things you can do to eliminate a little of the fog from the numbers and see things slightly clearer. These are very much tentative conclusions, but they give us some idea of what to expect in the second test and beyond.
The team ranking below is based on taking the fastest single lap set during the four days of running and then normalising it for tyre compound using steps of 0.6s from medium to soft, 0.4s from soft to super-soft and 0.2s from super-soft to ultra-soft.
The fuel load is also accounted for, with 0.05s allowed per completed lap on the run on which the time was set. I've also made a small allowance of 0.2s per day for track evolution, which isn't precise but, like the other adjustments, it helps to narrow the window of uncertainty.
ADJUSTED LAP TIMES
1 Ferrari 1m19.202s
2 Mercedes 1m19.555s
3 Renault 1m20.146s
4 Red Bull 1m20.353s
5 Williams 1m20.876s
6 Sauber 1m21.374s
7 Haas 1m21.818s
8 Force India 1m22.059s
9 Toro Rosso 1m22.156s
10 McLaren 1m22.448s
You can read the times however you want, and I'm not saying Ferrari is necessarily 0.353s faster than Mercedes. But using these 'fudge factors' to balance things up, I'm pretty sure that the two of them are running tit for tat at the moment. And with the fact that Valtteri Bottas didn't seem to get the expected improvement in the final sector of his fastest lap using ultra-soft rubber, you could certainly argue there was a bit more to come there.
To bring into play observations of how the car looked on track and seemed to respond to the different conditions and tyre compounds, now we can look at each team in more detail.
1 FERRARI
On track the Ferrari looks like the most consistently stable car of the whole lot, whatever tyre it's on. So much so that, other than by looking at the colouring on the sidewall, I couldn't tell the difference between compounds.
The car looks very precise, is able to drive a consistent line and has a good balance. I barely saw a Ferrari have a moment, save for when Sebastian Vettel once ran wide at Turn 1.
Other teams are suggesting Ferrari is running a bit light; they may know something we don't, but from trackside it doesn't look too light and if there is a difference compared to Mercedes, it's not too much.
So I suspect any fuel-load difference is minimal. If not, and Ferrari is running light, then the team's being pretty stupid because the season is coming up soon and it's better to work on your own problems and improve rather than camouflaging them.
What we can be sure of is that Ferrari, relative to the rest, has taken a step forward from last year.
2 MERCEDES
The Mercedes often looks great on track on the soft tyre. But it didn't look so good on the medium rubber during race runs, and I wonder if there's something there that isn't quite right.
Mercedes is certainly looking good, but I suspect there's perhaps a little inherent understeer in this car. Normally, going from the soft to the medium tyre you'd expect that to reduce, because you get a little less rear grip, but it wasn't doing that. That doesn't bode so well for when Mercedes is running on the harder tyre compounds.
But it's true that Bottas could have gone a little quicker on his ultra-soft run, and Lewis Hamilton didn't have the chance to put in that kind of lap.
Don't get me wrong, the Mercedes still looked like a very good car, but it was strange to see how much the drivers had to be cautious into Turn 3 to be able to get the nose in and then delayed getting on the throttle.
citajuci raznorazne komentare ovih dana po bjelosvjetskim sajtovima, par stvari se iskristalisalo..
1. Mercedes je napravio dobar bolid, ima odlican motor, ali probleme pravi vjesanje ( nelegalno ) kao i ferrari koji je neplanirano brz.
2. Red bull je predstavio bolid sa cistim linijama , Adrian je to skockao lijepo, ali opet su gospoda iz Renaulta zakazala. Sudeci po nivou bucnosti motora, vozili su neke " soft" mape cjeli test, u strahu od kraha agregata - vidi slucaj Toro Rosso. Ostaje pitanje oslanjanja kao neodgovoreno. Odgovor cemo dobiti nakon prvih treninga u Australiji.
3. Ferrari je nepoznanica... Da li je motor dobar ili su vozili vec sa mapama sa kvalifikacija, da li je aerodinamika dobra ili samo pokusaj koji je sam Adrian okarakterisao na nacin" ne znam o na koji nacin funkcionise", da li vjesanje funkcionise ili su nesto muljali...
4. Mc learen je odlucio da Alonsa otjera u penziju i to prevremenu, time sto izuzev ako gospoda iz Honde u medjuvremenu ne angazuju nekog carobnjaka koji ce za 15 dana da rjesi sve njihove probleme, i ove je sezona otisla u p.m.
Bilo kako bilo, ceka nas zannimljiva druga sedmica testova, pa da vidimo ko je gdje i na cemu je.
Zanimljia je jos jedna cinjenica, a to je da memorandom o razumjevanju i prihvatanju novoizdatih tumacenja FIA po pitanju nacina na koji treba da su konstruisani sistemi vješanja bolida, a koji je potrebno da potpisu svi učesnici šampionata, jos uvijek nije ovjeren od strane svih.. Govorka se da Red Bull i Mercedes jos uvijek izigravaju nevinasca...
hahahaha
uzas sto im rade.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report...sh-in-test-two
Izvinite ali morao sam.
inace red bull je trazio i da se definisu preciznije pravila po pitanju potrosnje ulja, jer sumnjaju da mercedes uz gorivo sagorijeva i ulje u kvalifikacijama ili situacijama kad im treba dodatna snaga, a to je zabranjeno pravilima...
Red Bull suspicion prompts FIA clarification on Formula 1 oil burn
http://www.f1reader.com/news/red-bul...il-burn-165556
mislis da ce samo mercedes donijeti nesto?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabia_Elegance!
https://www.gptoday.com/details/view...aster_in_2017/
Ko mi se od vas sprdao kada sam rekao da su bolidi 5 sec brzi?
mislim da nije niko...ja sam na pocetak testova rekao da ocekujem do kraja krugove na nivou 1.17-1.18
U sllucaju Red Bullove zalbe, ne radi se o ulju kao o ulju, vec se radi o dodatku gorivu koji omogucava takozvano " vektorisanje obrtnog momenta".
Prica je sledeca, u toku treninga, a i same trke, na pritisak obicnog dugmeta prilikom rada injektora, u cilindre se pored goriva ubaciju pod firmom "ulje" aditivi koji pomazu u kontroli eksplozije goriva u komori, ili ti prevedeno, sto vise kontrolises nacin sagorjevanja, to mozes da imas efikasniji rad motora, manja potrosnja i veca snaga.
Naravno mecke su to odmah demantovale, ali ostaje cinjenica da su trazili da granica za kolicina ulja bude postavljena na nekih 5 kg po trci. Odmah su se javila misljenja da je tolika kolicina ulja apsolutno nepotrebna, te da je dovoljno mnogo manje .
Dovoljno prostora za spekulaciju ..
Ovdje koliko vidim nema sa cime se ne vara ili pokusava varati.. Za nesto sto je nekada bio plemeniti sport... Zalosno
Sprdate se odje sa McL a oni jutros 6 sekundi brzi od Merca...
@Lance_Stroll was just 2 years old when Kimi #Raikkonen scored his first ever points in @F1 (for @SauberF1Team, 2001). @F1_Images#F1
ferrari ove godine radi ono sto je prosle radio mercedes.... pice neki svoj program i kakos tvari stoje uopste se ne obaziru na ovo sto rade ostali...