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Nemojte da nasijedate na kojekakve izjave nekog ko nije iz demokratske zapadne koalicije, znaci ako ameri kazu da je greska, onda je greska, nema veze sto postoji snimak koji dokazuje suprotno.
Mi kao dio razvijenog demokratskog zapada necemo dovoditi u pitanje da je greska, dakle molio bih kolegu chucknorrisa da obrise gornji post.
Vjerujmo B92 heheh.
Је л' ово цивилне жртве бомбардовања у Алепу више нису само колатерална штета?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-djPP51ACCg
Umjerena opozicija u akciji na Alepo stadionu ... mada ... kraj im je blizu ... po riječima predstavnika UN za Siriju ima još oko 8.000 boraca da se očisti ...
Zar se Rusija jos odupire mocnom i pravednom zapadu, ja sam mislio da su davno propali, od gladi i zedji i bez idje ista pocrkali, a da su umjereni sirijski opozicionari u zapadnom maniru zlotvora Asada davno nabili na kolac ili mu srce pojeli pred kamerama.
Не могу они ништа са својим застарјелим конвенционалним наоружањем,опремом пјешадије из прве половине ХХ вијека,пих радарски видљивим Сухојима ,подморницама које иду на резање у старо гвожђе или мало мало па никакве какве јесу истражују океанско дно,зракомлатима који немају кул имена као Апач,Команч или Сијукс а и падају сами од себе, некаквијема тенковима те их супергенијални (и квантни) западни ПО-системи отварају кано какве конзерве,а без онија монструозних,стра да те увати, носача авиона ка Амери,са некаквим бродицама мале тонаже наоружаним малијем бројем крстарећих ракета све вођених системом глобалног позиционирања сумњиве употребљивости.Quote:
Originally Posted by opmne
А што им се тек дома чини са најучинковитијим од свих учинковитих санкција икад.
Ал неће да признају курбини азијати но ћерају по свом.
Јбг.
Asad tvrdi da se u Siriji vec vodi treci svjetski rat, nije daleko od istine. Nadajmo se da ce ga tamo lokalizovati, Rusija je bacila kocku, sad da vidimo reakciju zapada . . .
Malo mi je neobično da portal Vijesti odstupa od narativa zapadnih mejnstrim medija i objavljuje ovakve tekstove:
http://www.vijesti.me/svijet/sta-je-...os-2009-908361
Rusija je reagovala na poziv rezima. To sto su manijaci je druga stvar. Manijaci su na obije strane. Ne smijemo da zaboravimo da je Amerika naoruzavala "umjerene" (LOL!) militantne grupe u cilju zbacivanja zvanicnog rezima. Tako da je Amerika "bacila kocku".Quote:
Originally Posted by opmne
Uz sve to treba dodat da i sama Sirija ima dobra nalazišta za čije potrebe infrastrukture za explataciju ima ugovore sa Rusijom pa to cijelu priču dodatno komplikuje jer nije samo tranzit upitanju !!! A i kad bi sve te stvari stavili po strani ko su ti ljudi koji su izvršili pobunu ( da ne pričamo o skrnavljenju Hrišćanskih spomenika kulture uz ubijanje i protjeravanje ) i koliko bi njima trebalo vremena da uspostave normalne institucije kako bi razvijali državu a o nekom obliku turizma ( od čega zbog vremenskih prilka prihoduju mnogo ) da i ne pričamo !!! Upravo u ovom trenutku ti ljudi ubijaju svoj narod jer na otvorenim koridorima u Alepo da izadju civili imaju postavljene snajperiste !!! Činjenica je da taj narod tamo strada i to ni jedni mediji ne mogu predstavit kao ružičastu sliku ali to sleduje uglavnom sve narode koji se okrenu protiv države ( koja opet mora obezbijedit vladavinu prava o čemu se rasprava vodi u skupštinu a ne na ulicu ) !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejan
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Rebels storming YPG held Herbel and Sheikh Isa, airstrikes start on Tell Rifat town
14 minutes ago
Lavrov: if Turkey violate Syrian airspace once more - will face "resistance"
http://syria.liveuamap.com/en
Ukratko, Turci su odjednom odustali od ofanzive na teritoriju koju drži ISIS i krenuli su da bombarduju po teritoriji koju kontrolišu Kurdi, sjeverno od Alepa, kako bi se umiješali u borbama za Alepo.
SAA je objavila da će pružiti vazdušnu podršku Kurdima, što je i logično jer su Kurdi "živi štit" između SAA i Turaka
Nema šanse da će se Turci umiješati u borbu za Alepo u momentu popravljanja odnosa sa Rusijom. Ne znam kakva je igra iza ovih prijetnji da će pobunjenici sa sjeverne strane napasti Alepo i probiti opsadu, ali bih se mogao kladiti da se radi o praznoj priči i da se to neće desiti. Prije će dio njih preći put Idliba i priključiti se tamošnjim pobunjenicima u sopstvenoj režiji. Ove prijetnje su taman kao ono kad je sirijska armija prijetila da će da ide na Al Bab prije mjesec dana.
Немој тако.Quote:
Originally Posted by guest
Ево сви веле да се ништа неће промјенит према споља осим ,можда,неког ђаољег зида:):).
SAA i Kurdi u savezu
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX8AjUXUAA58Km.jpg:large
Hoce li mi ko objasniti sta misli Erdogan da postigne (osim unistavanja Kurda) sa ulaskom u Siriju. To je povreda medjunarodnog prava i teritorijalnog integriteta. Sjecate li se kako se Irak pomamio kad su usli u njihovu teritoriju?
Nece Ruje dozvoliti Asada tek tako
Ovo nije samo povreda medjunarodnog prava i teritorijalnog integriteta nego vrlo prosta i ociglenda objava rata.
Međunarodno pravo u slučaju Sirije je suspendovano. Jedan broj zemalja (uključujući nas) je priznao nekakav skup opozicionara kao legitimnog međunarodnog predstavnika sirijskog naroda. A sirijski narod niko ne pita.
Čuj masakr nad civilima, a nesrećni civili jedva čekaju da im se ukaže prilika da prelete na teritoriju koja je pod kontrolom vlade.
Francuska, Britanija i Njemačka konstantno guraju neku čudnu agendu, čak su se i Amerikanci povukli u određenoj mjeri, makar javno.
I dalje mi je misterija odnos između Sirije, Rusije i Turske. Mislim da je ovo prepucavanje između Asada i Erdogana čisto radi reda, što se ono kaže. Predstava. Ne treba ozbiljno shvatiti ni jednog ni drugog. Jedno se govori radi javnosti, a drugo se radi iza zavjese.
Inače, prije neki dan je ruski pilot sjeverno od Alepa oborio bespilotnu letjelicu koja je ometala navigaciju i GLONASS signal, o tome se ne priča uopšte. Moja pretpostavka je da se radi o turskom dronu. Ne znam, nijesam pametan.
Da se oce vise proglasit taj sveti rat, barem da znam ko mi je ne-prijatelj..
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Ne znam koji je to normalan civil i dalje u Alepu.
Skoro su iz SAA objavili da u istočnom Alepu koji su oslobodili prije par dana nije bilo 250k civila kako je prenijela većina medija već da ih je bilo samo oko 10k, i da je jedan dio izašao kroz koridor preko Kurdske enklave, a drugi dio(porodice "opozicionara") je otišao na teritoriju koju i dalje drži "opozicija"
Zlatko Dizdarevic, rijetko obrazovan i dobro informisan covjek o desavanjima u tom dijelu svijeta.
Vala vakat je bilo eo godinu dana amerika i rusija bombarduju te koljace i jos ih ne istrijebise, naprotiv ni pobjeda nije cista.
Mene bi bilo sramota izvjestavat takve sramotne vijesti.
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The EU is offering financial support for a Syria still ruled by President Assad in a last-ditch effort to retain western influence on the outcome of the war, The Times has been told.
As the battle for Aleppo reaches an endgame, EU officials are said to have accepted that previous western demands that Assad step down are unrealistic. There is a growing sense that America has been sidelined as a western negotiating partner.
Instead, the EU foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, put new proposals to opposition leaders at a meeting two weeks ago, with an offer of aid and investment as a sweetener for all sides.
The proposals were in line with United Nations resolutions calling for a “political transition” in Syria. The United States, Britain and France have always backed the opposition’s insistence that the words “political transition” meant Assad’s removal from office, but now discussion of the precise outcome of the “transition” is being left to a future date.
The EU proposals would involve devolution of power to Syria’s provinces, which would allow for “moderate rebel” forces to be integrated into local security forces. Central institutions of the state would remain, though eventually under more democratic control. The future of Assad is not mentioned.
“What Mogherini wanted to do was present an EU plan — this is how to solve the conflict,” a source close to the opposition said. “There’s a transition, but the details are vague. In return, if all sides agree and everyone does what the EU says, there’s a huge pot of money.”
The outline of the proposals was confirmed by European diplomats.
EU leaders’ renewed drive to find a solution to the Syrian crisis is driven by fears that it is destroying Europe’s political fabric, with the refugee crisis contributing to electoral chaos across the continent. Reconstructing Syria, however unpalatable it might be that Assad remains in the presidential palace, is the only way to reverse the exodus of its people.
The siege of Aleppo, along with the election of Donald Trump in the United States, has wrecked western efforts to end the war, and put Russia and Iran in the driving seat as Assad’s main external backers. Independent observers say that Assad forces now controlled more than half of rebel-held Aleppo.
Overnight the regime and its allies seized the district of Tariq al-Bab after heavy fighting, opening a route between Aleppo’s international airport and the government-held west, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said today.
A victory in Aleppo would all but confirm the impossibility of removing Assad, as demanded not just by the three western UN security council powers but also by the regional states that have backed the rebels.
The imminent rebel defeat in Aleppo has led to all sides readjusting their positions. Representatives of the armed rebels have been meeting Russian officials in Turkey this week, separately from either the external political opposition or their Gulf or American backers. They have offered to accept a UN proposal for an Aleppo ceasefire and aid supplies in return for fighters loyal to the Fateh al-Sham Front, the former al-Qaeda affiliate known as the al-Nusra Front, being forced to leave.
The regime has trumpeted its advances with broadcasts on state television which showed coachloads of residents returning to eastern neighbourhoods which have been retaken by the army.
Assad is also scoring victories elsewhere. His forces have forced a “reconciliation deal”, a surrender under which rebels are escorted to opposition-held Idlib province, in the town of Khan al-Shih, west of Damascus, and is mopping up other fronts near the capital.
In the south, under a widely believed but never confirmed deal between King Abdullah of Jordan and President Putin, rebels have largely called off attacks in return for not being targeted by airstrikes.
The king was concerned at the instability in southern Syria and, once it became clear that Assad was not going to give way, preferred stability to a chaotic regime collapse. The rebels’ “southern front” was largely controlled out of Amman.
It is unclear what incentive the regime has to be more amenable to EU proposals now that it thinks it is winning the war.
However, the rebels have vowed to continue fighting and in Idlib they have a whole province neighbouring their principal conduit for arms, Turkey, which cannot be encircled easily.
Many rebel groups have threatened to turn to tactics associated with guerrilla warfare, such as car bombings.
EU says member states can start deporting refugees and migrants back to Greece from March
Ipak su posle toliko pregovora i zahtjeva da se migranti propuštaju u zemlje EU našli solomonsko rješenje da ih deportuju u Grčku :)
Interesantan članak o odnosu između Kurda i sirijske vlade.
What's brewing between the Kurds and Syrian regime?
Among all the complex alliances and shifting loyalties in Syria, the Kurds seem caught in the middle. Common
sentiment is that the Kurds are now at a critical threshold of relations with the Damascus regime, and the outcome
could be cooperation or, just as easily, combat.
Much hinges on how the regime reacts to the government models of "democratic autonomy" or "democratic
federation" that the Kurds have been advocating and trying to install in western Kurdistan (Rojava).
As preparations for the major assault on Aleppo were going on in September, Russia arranged a meeting between
Kurdish representatives and the Syrian regime at Khmeimim air base to see if they could find common ground on
autonomy.
Kurdish officials told Al*Monitor that the meeting did not produce an agreement and that there have been no more
contacts with Russia. The Kurds say it is important for them to maintain contact with Russia and the regime of
Syrian President Bashar al*Assad to keep Afrin and Sheikh Maqsoud from turning into deadly war zones.
This apparent coordination between the Syrian regime and the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) against
armed groups that were keeping Sheikh Maqsoud under steady fire have prompted comments about "Kurdishregime
cooperation." But it is not that simple. What we have is friendship and enmity coexisting.
This unusual, fragile coexistence was best illustrated Nov. 28 when the YPG and Syrian flags were flying together
over the agriculture office of Aleppo's Bustan al*Basha neighborhood, as it was being abandoned by opposition
groups including Jabhat Fatah al*Sham, Ahrar al*Sham and the Nureddin Zengi Brigade.
But in Aleppo, nothing is what it seems. Kurdish news sources, without referring to the army’s role, keep reporting
how the YPG and the Kurdish Women's Protection Units have liberated Hellok, Bustan al*Basha, Heydarieh,
east, and they linked up somewhere in the middle.
A YPG commander who spoke to Al*Monitor on condition of anonymity explained the operation's development
and the flags over the agriculture office: “When armed opposition groups withdrew from areas around Sheikh
Maqsoud, we took over. Those were the groups that were regularly attacking Sheikh Maqsoud. We cleaned out
Sheikh Khidir, Hanunu, Bustan al*Basha and Inziraat. We were surprised by the speed of their unexpected
withdrawal. We were expecting violent clashes, but they withdrew to more strategic locations.
"I can tell you that there was actually a race between the Syrian army and YPG to fill the void left by their
opposition. As for the agriculture office, it was a building we wanted badly. The army also wanted it. So we raced
to hoist our flag, but it was actually a race to occupy a key position. We nearly clashed with the army, but our
fighters withdrew and lowered our flag to avoid fighting. Sheikh Maqsoud is a sensitive area. We can’t afford a
clash with the Syrian army, so we opted to expand our territory around Sheikh Maqsoud without confronting the
army.”
Was there coordination between the YPG and the army during the Nov. 26*28 operation? What will the Kurds do if
the Syrian army wants to control Sheikh Maqsoud?
The YPG commander replied: “We discussed with the army not a joint operation in east Aleppo, but how we will
defend that area. We have checkpoints there — so does the army. We don’t expect an army attack against Sheikh
Maqsoud. … We know it is geographically distinct from Rojava, but aspirations are the same. Sheikh Maqsoud is
an important issue of the federation debate. … [It] cannot be an independent entity. That neighborhood cannot
survive as an island in the middle of Aleppo. But if the state insists on taking it over, we will resist. What Kurds
will do with Damascus in a way depends on the attitude of the major powers [Russia and Iran] backing Syria.
Russia is concerned and is trying to find a solution.”
A Syrian journalist who was recently in Sheikh Maqsoud assessed for Al*Monitor the Syrian regime’s policy:
“There is an effective established order, a system, in Sheikh Maqsoud. Every neighborhood has councils that take
care of daily affairs. These councils have a woman and a man as co*chairs. But autonomy is a very complex issue.
It won’t be easy to incorporate it into the Syrian constitution. But I still don’t think the Syrian army will enter
Sheikh Maqsoud. Kurds are the only trump card Syrians have against Turkey. That is why the status quo will
survive. To fight the Kurds now will not be in the interests of the Syrian government.”
There is also talk of Syrian army cooperation with the Kurds regarding al*Bab, Turkey’s primary target in its
Operation Euphrates Shield. Kurdish*led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) want to turn the zone between Manbij
and Afrin into a safe zone for the Kurds. The Turkish army is trying to thwart that goal. Some observers interpreted
the Syrian army’s shelling of Turkish*supported groups advancing to al*Bab as signaling the regime’s support for
the Kurds. The YPG commander tried to clarify: “There are complications about al*Bab. For example, our SDF
partner, Jaish al*Thuwar, declared they won’t fight FSA [the Free Syrian Army] around al*Bab. We respected that.
At the moment there isn’t much we can do in that area.
"An alliance that opposes YPG control of the area has emerged. Russia, Syria, the US and Turkey don’t want the
YPG to dominate. Now we are seeing another group, called Syrian National Resistance. We are in touch with
them, but our forces are not near them. We stay away from Jaish al*Thuwar. In other words, in that area, local
Arabs are spearheading the resistance against the Turkish army and the groups it supports. These are pro*regime
Arabs. [In this particular situation] our goals are conflicting.”
There were some clashes between the Kurds and government forces in Aleppo in the first phases of the Syrian
crisis. Although the Kurds reject allegations that they are cooperating with the regime, both Assad and his adviser,
Bouthaina Shaaban, several times said that they have been assisting the Kurds and that there was coordination
between them.
The clashes, but also the contacts, between the Kurds and the Syrian army/pro*regime militias have illustrated that
the Kurds are not a front confronting the regime and that the regime is not an assurance for the Kurds. Whether the
Kurdish aspiration for autonomy will become reality depends on new balances that are bound to emerge.
Izvor: LINK
http://i.imgur.com/kZ7du4z.jpg
Interesantan članak iz jula ove godine vezan za ovo gore:Quote:
BIRN (Balkan Investigative Reporting Network) and the OCCRP (Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project) examined arms export data, UN reports, flight records, and weapons contracts during a year-long investigation that reveals how thousands of assault rifles, mortar shells, rocket launchers, anti-tank weapons, and heavy machine guns are pouring into the troubled region, originating from Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia and Slovakia.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...ast-07-26-2016
Још из доба СФРЈ разноразно оружје се продаје Арапима, и јако је тешко утврдити поријекло тог оружја без сарадње произвођача.Quote:
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Фабрике намјенске иднустрије у Србији и БиХ раде "у три смјене".
Najjaca vojska svih vremena slobodno, ne moze im niko nista, evo koliko vremena cijeli svijet protiv njih.
Još prije par godina kad je cijela stvar sa IS državom tek počela i kurdi se digli na oružje napisao sam da će glavni problem biti rješavanje kurdskog pitanja poslije pada IsIsa. Od toga me je nevjerovatno strah.
Turci ne vide Isis kao problem, čak je Erdoganov sin bio uključen u trgovinu naftom sa iračke i sirijske teritorije. Razni arheološki artifakti našli su kupce upravo preko turskih trgovaca.
Turci neće dozvoliti stvaranje Kurdistana na svojim granicama ni po koju cijenu. Ovdje pričamo o hiljadama kilometara granice i o milionima ljudi tacnije oko 30 miliona ljudi. To je populacija 2 puta veća od bivše jugoslavije a znamo sta se ovdje izdogadjalo iako pola entiteta nije uopste bilo uključeno u rat.
Iskreno, Kurdi zaslužuju nezavisnu državu od teritorija Sirije pa čak i Iraka i neku autonomnu pokrajinu u Turskoj ali Turci to Nikada ali nikada neće dozvoliti.
Gledao sam skoro klipove kada Kurdi oslobađaju neka sela i varoši. Oprema koju imaju je nova. Ne izgledaju kao isisovci ili ova opozicija, neobrijani, masni, i divlji, vec ošišani, sredjenih brada i brkova, sa ozbiljnim oficirima. Svaki je imao kevlar i novu uniformu, nove puske... znam reći će te to je sve za Show itd ali zarobili su grdilo naoružanja od IsIsa a još više od zapada...
Sukob je neminovan, taj sukob inače traje decenijama i stotinama godina..samo što više Kurdi nijesu stočari sa karabinima iz prvog svjetskog rata nego moderna vojska sa modernim naoružanjem. Prekaljeni veterani sa zapadnom obukom ...
Ono što ne mogu da prokljuvim je sta ce se desiti, u smislu ko će stati na njihovu stranu kad Isis nestane .?. ko god da stane ulazi u direktan sukob sa Turcima...
Dje će tu biti Rusi, EU, Iran?
Misljenja sam da su ovo važnija pitanja nego Isis koji je prnuo u chabar...
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Генерацијама уназад тешко стицана репутација озбиљне службе (неко би рекао најозбиљније могуће и мало вјероватно да би се преварио) какав је МИ-6 пријети да се у Сирији и око ње,макар у дијелу "односа са јавношћу", проспе као кула од карата,.
Сиријска опсерваторија за људска права,бијели шлемови,седмогодишњакиња...
Туга.