Olimpijada i Pivo
Smirice se to brzo ja mnim, a i oni nisu upali tek tako bzvz, nikome se ne gine bez potrebe...
Tbilisi, Moskva, Peking -- Ruski tenkovi upali su na teritoriju Južne Osetije, koju je sinoć napala vojska Gruzije, u čijim se granicama Osetija nalazi.http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index....&nav_id=312232
Ovo ne miriše na dobro. Ruski tenkovi u Gruziji a predsednik Gruzije otvoreno pozvao SAD da se umeša. Šta će se događati u narednim danima?
Olimpijada i Pivo
Smirice se to brzo ja mnim, a i oni nisu upali tek tako bzvz, nikome se ne gine bez potrebe...
Katastrofa. Moralo je doci do toga prije ili kasnije, ali ovo vec poprima oblik opste opasnosti
Kako Vaša bolest ?
krenulo je
Koliko sam čuo, Gruzija je izvršila napad u kojem je poginuo izvestan broj ruskih vojnika-pripadnika mirovnih snaga Zajednice nezavisnih država, a ovo je prvi put da Gruzija direktno napada ruske snage.
Teško da će Rusija dozvoliti da joj Gruzija ubija vojnike i da zauzme Južnu Osetiju, jer bi to bilo veliko poniženje za tako veliku silu.
NAvodno je poginulo 10 ruskih mirotvoraca.
Rusi usli sa oko 150 Borbenih vozila, rastocili Gruzine koji su pokusali da ih zaustave i Usli u glavni grad J Osetije u nekim djelovima grada se jos drze Gruzi.
Rusi bombardovali gruzijski vojni aerodrom i gruzini priznali u tom napadu 3 poginulih vojnika bombardovane i neke kasarne navodno bez gubitaka.
Interesantno.
don't mess with Vladimir!
Serbien Uber Ales!
Sjecam se da su Gruzijci prije nekugodinu bukvalno presegali dio naftovoda koji ide za Rusiju.
sad u vijesti vele hiljadu poginulih,5 aviona ruskih srusheno,rusi blizu grada,gruzijci drze grad...ovo poprima oblik otvorenog sukoba
(AGI) - Tbilisi, 8th August - The escalation of aggression between Russia, Georgia and Ossetia has reached the outskirts of Tbilisi. A number of Russian jets have bombed Vaziani Air Base, 25 kilometres from the Georgian capital. The news has come from Kakha Lamaia, an official of Georgia's security forces. "There were no casualties but several buildings were destroyed" Lamaia commented, adding that Russia has in fact "declared war on us".
Prije 4 sata. E sad... minus mediji, minus medijska propaganda, opet dosta ozbiljno.
Ako je Šakašvili krenuo samostalno u ovo, bez jasne podrške NATO i SAD, on nije normalan. Ako je dobio jasnu podršku, ovo je početak raspleta jedne situacije u vezi širenja NATO i njegovog uticaja, a možda na kraju dođe i do redefinicije NATO. Gledao sam slike i snimke na CNN, i Gruzijci su naoružani više nego dobro. Opšta mobilizacija u Gruziji, Putin u Pekingu na Olimpijadi, Buš koliko vidim još ništa jasno ne govori.
Ovo bi otprilike bilo kako zapad trenutno gleda na situaciju....
Georgia pays price for its Nato ambitions
The outbreak of hostilities between Russia and Georgia is really about Nato, the West and spheres of influence
While the world watched China's pyrotechnical tour de force at the opening of the Beijing Olympics, President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia was making a plaintive appeal for Western help against Russian military aggression.
One fact is clear: the Kremlin's troops would not be in South Ossetia today if Georgia were a loyal ally. Instead, Mr Saakashvili is paying the price for his pro-Western foreign policy and, in particular, his ambition to join Nato.
Two key events well beyond Georgia's borders have triggered Russia's fury. The first was Kosovo's declaration of independence in February and the new country's subsequent recognition by many Western states. This brought a public warning from Moscow that Kosovo's move to independence could set a precedent for Georgia's two breakaway regions, Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
The second was Nato's pledge at the Bucharest summit in April that membership of the Atlantic Alliance for both Georgia and Ukraine was not a matter of "if" but "when", although in deference to Russian objections, no timetable for entry was granted. This provoked Vladimir Putin, then still Russia's president, to promise more support for Georgia's breakaway regions.
Despite the Cold War's demise, Russia regards the successor states of the old Soviet Union as its sphere of influence. This intervention is about sending a message from Moscow to Washington to "keep your nose out" of an area that the Kremlin has always seen as being inside its domain.
But as Mr Saakashvili warned yesterday, this is no longer about a tiny country way off most people's radar. Georgia's fate is about the future world order, Europe's place in it and persuading Moscow to desist from the brutish behaviour that has marked its recent foreign policy.
Georgia's crime, as seen from the Kremlin, is to have espoused the values preached by the West and to have dared say that it wants to choose its own friends.
To be sure, Mr Saakashvili damaged his own reputation by his suppression of opposition dissent last November, but in the post-Soviet world of authoritarianism and rampant state corruption, Georgia remains one of the few pinpricks of light.
If the West cringes now in the face of Moscow's bicep-flexing, the message to any other aspiring members of the democratic club will be patently clear: take that risk if you like but do not count on us to help if things turn nasty.
Georgia now stands on the very brink of a grotesquely uneven conflict with a resurgent Russia itching to flex its muscles and burning with post-imperial hubris. The chosen causus belli is South Ossetia, which fought a separatist war with Georgia in 1992 and has enjoyed the support of Russia ever since.
So much so, that Russia has spent the intervening years handing out Russian passports to any South Ossetian who cares to have one. These are the people who Dmitry Medvedev had in mind on Thursday when he said that as president of the Russian Federation, he was obliged to defend the lives of Russian citizens wherever they were.
Russian forces form part of a self-styled "peacekeeping force" in South Ossetia - but are seen by the Georgians as anything but neutral or interested in peace. As far as Georgia is concerned, the Russian troops are not mediators but an active party to the conflict.
The Russian presence has been a protracted exercise in cynicism - while its armed forces crushed the life out of separatism in Chechnya, its "peacekeepers" have propped up separatist regimes in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Moscow's diplomacy has been no less dishonest. All efforts to achieve a lasting peace in South Ossetia, by offering a degree of automony and a federal relationship with Georgia's central government, have been conducted under the auspices of the Joint Control Commission (JCC). This body, estabilished in the 1990s, includes representatives from Russia and its two proxies, North and South Ossetia, as well as Georgia.
It has long been clear that the JCC, which is dominated by Russia, is never going to agree to a peace agreement remotely acceptable to Georgia. But matters like peace, self-determination or territorial integrity have never been the real issue for Russia in the southern Caucasus.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ambitions.html
Pih
po.... rusa. Sto staljin ne pozivi duze da ih strvi jos vise.
On bjese gruzijac?
Cak su i njegov rodni grad bombardovali. A ruska vojna masinerija..... Sacuvaj boze
gledah na tv da Gruzija ima 7 ili 10 borbenih aviona i 80 tenkova.
Predsjednik im rece da kontrolisu skoro cijelu Osetiju i da su ulicne borbe u glavni grad. dok na sky news kazu da su rusi usli u glavni grad Osetije.
komandant vojske Osetije veli da ima do 1400 mrtvih...
Last edited by KingofDenmark; 08-08-08 at 19:46. Reason: info
Pih
po.... rusa. Sto staljin ne pozivi duze da ih strvi jos vise.
On bjese gruzijac?
Cak su i njegov rodni grad bombardovali. A ruska vojna masinerija..... Sacuvaj boze
Jadan ovaj narod u Gruziji što trpi zbog politike velikih.
Iskreno rečeno, meni je žao što Rusi i Gruzijci-2 pravoslavna naroda sada praktično ratuju, bez obzira na povod i ko je u pravu.
Šta je sopstvena teritorija, to je relativno pitanje, kao što vidimo u slučaju Srbije.
Dobre čike iz Brisela i Vašingtona su rekle da je Kosovo "jedinstven slučaj" pa ostaje još to da objasne Putvedevu.
Priličan deo Osetije kontrolišu gruzijske snage još od 1992 godine, a ostatak je pod kontrolom samoproglašene nepriznate države.Glavni grad je u blizini demarkacione linije i Gruzijske snage su praktično na njegovim prilazima još pre započinjanja ovog konflikta.
Sakašvili je notorna budala, jer dozvoljava da Amerika opipava puls Putinu i Medvedevu preko grbače Gruzijaca.
Last edited by dusanp; 08-08-08 at 20:09.
Mislim da niko ko je stigao do pozicije lidera jedne drzave ne moze biti toliko... mentalno nestabilan da bez ikakvih garancija krene u ovakvu avanturu.
Rekao bih da je Sakasvili dobio nekakav signal podrske da pokrene sukob, ali takodje mislim da se radi o politickoj podvali prve klase na koju je Sakasvili nasjeo. Spekulisuci, rekao bih da ko god da je dao signal Gruziji za ovakav potez nikada nije ni imao namjeru da ih na bilo koji nacin podrzi - vec da ih proda. Na to upucuju i prilicno mlake i nezainteresovane reakcije iz SAD i pomalo providan nedostatak varnica na vezi istok-zapad.
U stvari, narod u Gruziji trpi zbog nepromisljenosti sopstvenih lidera.Originally Posted by ssin
Govori se o velikom brojku mrtvih... Ako će da intervenišu, Rusi treba da vrate stvari u prvobitno stanje i da prestanu, a prema nekim vestima oni bombarduju celu Gruziju !! Treba znati gde stati, ovo će se Rusima obiti o glavu, nikada više moći da imaju saveznike u Gruziji. Na prvi pogled čini mi se da je ovo kratkovidna politika, i da je pre Rusija nasela nego bilo ko drugi...dugoročno Rusi puše u Gruziji.
edit: a kao propratni efekat, umanjuju se Obamine šanse na izborima u SAD.
Last edited by ssin; 08-08-08 at 20:25.
Izkustvo je pokazalo da Ameri uvijek poccinju prvi. Trebalo im je da ponude Georgiji cclanstvo u NATO? Nije, to je samo provociranje Rusije.
I ja ccuh na TV zapadnoga polit.komentatora kako su Gruzini nemoccni, losse naoruzzani ruskijem oruzzjem, da ih Zapad pomazze samo u pripreme za mirovne misije, a s druge strane tvrdi se da su Gruzini poveccali vojni budzet s 30 miliona na milijardu dolara, da su kupili 400 novih tenkova, helikoptere, avione..
Uostalome, ako obje strane vele da se borbe vode ulicama glavnoga grada J.Osetije, ssto mislite - ko je koga napao? Uz napomenu da su Rusi tamo po dogovoru s gruzijskim vlastima. I, naravno, po zzelji Osetinaca.
Mene se ccini e se neko o$etio moccnijem. Da li s razlogom, vidjet ccemo brzo.
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