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  • 1. pobjedi Janukoviča i gušenju/osipanju protesta

    25 15.92%
  • 2. pobjedi opozicije i prelaskom Partije regiona u opoziciju

    21 13.38%
  • 3. federalizaciji zemlje i dugogodišnjoj nestabilnosti

    25 15.92%
  • 4. novim građanskim sukobima, a možda i građanskom ratu

    46 29.30%
  • sporazumnom raspadu Ukrajine i formiranju dvije ili više novih država

    24 15.29%
  • nekom drugačijem epilogu-objasniću/ne mogu da procijenim

    16 10.19%
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    Zarobljeni Ukrajinac koga su građani tukli u centru Donjecka je pukovnik Oleg Micak, komandant elitne jedinice „Kiborzi“ koja je 242 dana držala aerodrom i granatirala grad.


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    Procitah kad udje vojska u tenk zavare vrata da ne bi pobjegli. http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1411287...anim-tenkovima

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    Isceniran gradjanski rat od strane SAD najavljen 20.11. 2013.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino_pg View Post
    Zarobljeni Ukrajinac koga su građani tukli u centru Donjecka je pukovnik Oleg Micak, komandant elitne jedinice „Kiborzi“ koja je 242 dana držala aerodrom i granatirala grad.

    Koji junaci pedesetoro sve sa automatima na vezanoga chovjeka...
    Ridin' on the black train

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    Ofanziva pobunjenika zaustavljena na svim frontovima osim kod Debaljceva.
    Kod Mariupolja i aerodroma su izgubili dio teritorije koju su kontrolisali prethodnih dana.
    Kada mozak ne koristiš, čekaš da ti kažu
    tada misliš da sve znaš, ne vidiš da lažu

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    džaba kad nemaju dovoljno ljudstva sve što osvoje brzo i izgube, sreća njina što ni Ukrajinci nisu baš voljni za rat pa od 50 miliona ljudi jedva skupe par desetina hiljada
    She is only here to annoy herself!

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    Kako nemaju? A dje je Ruska vojska?
    Ludilom maskiram dosadu

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    u Rusiji, vjerovao ili ne
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    Misliš da udju samo kad treba da se nešto osvoji i odmah izadju ili nisu uopste ulazili? Evo Ukrainci na sav glas trube oko Ruske agresije. Da nije tako što bi to pričali?
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    ukrajinski političari da, ali valjda je više vjerovati njihovom generalu

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150129/1017514425.html
    She is only here to annoy herself!

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    Default Ukrajina - sraz dva svijeta

    Quote Originally Posted by lunar View Post
    Kako nemaju? A dje je Ruska vojska?
    Klasicni sukob niskog intenziteta, kao veliki broj drugih koje smo gledali samo u drugoj reziji. Rusi obezbjedjuju penzionisane ili oficire koji su iz x razloga napustili rusku vojsku. Placenici ili razni dobrovoljci, bivsi pripadnici ruske vojske pomijesani sa lokalnim stanovnistvom. Dotura se oruzije, hrana informacije i novac. Ostatak se zarobilo od demoralisane ukrajinske armije, opterecene korupcijom. Poznate stvari samo smo nenavikli da to drugi rade.
    Ruska vojska u direktnom okrsaju sa susjedima bi stigla do njemacke granice za manje od mjesec(ovdje iskljucujem realnu varijantu III svjetskog rata ukoliko bi i krenuli ofanzivu na ukrajinu i susjede)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Krisna View Post
    Rusija je agresor na nezavisnu drzavu koja joj je susjed i traziti opravdanja za to sasvim dovoljan pokazatelj o kakvim osobama se radi i u sustini je greota polemisati jer i tako i tako nista neće shvatiti
    Kako onda narod masovno bjezi u agresorsku zemlju? Sto ne bjeze u Kijev ili Lavov?

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    U prethodnih nekoliko dana pobunjenici su stabilizovali liniju kod aerodroma. Ukopali su se u Peski (lijevo od aerodroma), odakle su prethodnih par mjeseci i kretali svi napadi Ukrajine na aerodrom. Ukrajinska strana uporno artiljerijom gadja grad Donjeck. Da je neko drugi u pitanju zapad bi ih davno bombardovao zbog ovoga.
    Dzep kod Debaljceva se konstantno skuplja. Pobunjenici su sa zapada osvojili Uglegorsk, sa istoka su u toku borbe za Cernuhino, usli su i u predgradje Debaljceva. Glavni put koji vodi sa sjevera jos nije prekinut ali pobunjenici kontrolisu uzvisenja oko njega tako da je bilo kakvo ozbiljno snabijevanje onemoguceno. Nikako mi nije jasno sta UKR vojska ceka unutra, pobice ih ko zeceve. Bilo kakav proboj na sjever je bolji od cekanja.
    Gledajuci kako se pomjeraju linije fronta vise je nego ocigledno da kod pobunjenika neko ima strategiju koja je jedinstvena za cijelo ratiste, na UKR strani toga uopste nema. Pobunjenici su ti koji diktiraju tempo i biraju mjesto gdje ce da napadnu. Svi pokusaji UKR da negdje naprave proboj zadnjih 2-3 mjeseca su davali samo kratkotrajne rezultate, zavrsavali se neuspjehom i kontranapadima druge strane.

    Stepen razaranja je ogroman, dugo posle rata ce se tu jako tesko zivjeti.
    Kada mozak ne koristiš, čekaš da ti kažu
    tada misliš da sve znaš, ne vidiš da lažu

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    Jutros je obruc zatvoren. Pobunjenici kontrolisu dvije tacke na putu od Debaljceva prema sjeveru.

    Ove jadnike sto su ostali unutra sad samo neki politicki dogovor moze da spasi. Prosto nevjerovatno da ih nisu izvukli na vrijeme a vec minimum dvije nedelje je 100% jasno sta ce se dogoditi.

    Dodatno, UKR linija fronta kod Uglegorska se izgleda raspala. Znacajno napredovanje pobunjenika na tom dijelu u samo 24 sata, sto vodi brzom skupljanju vec suzenog prostora u obrucu.
    Kada mozak ne koristiš, čekaš da ti kažu
    tada misliš da sve znaš, ne vidiš da lažu

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    Ova Obamina administracija je skroz prsla.

    Merkelova mu je otvoreno rekla, pred svima, da ne zeli da US ili EU ili bilo ko salje oruzje Ukrajini jer smatra da to nece rijesiti problem. I on se sad razmislja jel ce slati il nece slati oruzje. Sto bi bio idiotski potez i dolivanje ulja na vatru.
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    Pa nece Amerika da ih casti to oruzje, nego naravno da im proda...njima je uvijek najvaznije da svaki rat sto duze traje, a ne koja ce strana da pobijedi...

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    Ukrajina ima sasvim dovoljno oružja, motivisano ljudstvo je ono što im fali.
    She is only here to annoy herself!

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    Evo kako im završavaju pokušaji mobilizacije.
    Ljudi neće da ratuju protiv Rusa.
    Video sa engleskim titlovima.

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    Raspad sistema. Ocigledno ovaj kukavac u uniformi misli isto sto i ova zena.....pa i ne pokusava da je prekine.
    Kraj je najbolji: mi ovde uzgajamo paradajz, hocemo li Americi da ga prodajemo?
    Kada mozak ne koristiš, čekaš da ti kažu
    tada misliš da sve znaš, ne vidiš da lažu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dača View Post
    Evo kako im završavaju pokušaji mobilizacije.
    Ljudi neće da ratuju protiv Rusa.
    Video sa engleskim titlovima.
    Ova zena je rekla suvu istinu. Svaki njen argument je na mjestu ma sta rekli ukrajinski i ostali NATO psi rata zedni ruske krvi....

    Oficir je samo cutao , jer se na ovo nema sta reci , sve je istina....

    Politika Amerike je uvijek bila "ZAVADI - PA OPLJACKAJ I VLADAJ"

    Tako su uradili u Iraku (rat Siita , Kurda i Sunita)

    Tako su uradili u Libiji ( rat raznih frakcija plemena itd.)

    Tako su uradili u Jugoslaviji ( rat Srba, Hrvata, Bosnjaka, Albanaca)

    Tako su uradili i u Ukrajini (rat izmedju Ukrajinaca lojalnih kijevu i Rusa i Ukrajinaca koji su bliski Rusiji).

    Amerika je jedno globalno svjetsko zlo, koje donosi nesrecu i smrt milijardama ljudi ovoga svijeta.

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    e alal ti vjera, nista slaga nisi


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    Dezertiralo 10.000 ukrajinskih vojnika

    Vrhovni javni tužilac Anatolij Matios rekao je za Ukrajinsku pravdu da vojni tužioci trenutno vode istragu o 5.870 krivičnih dela, koja je počinilo 16.598 pripadnika oružanih snaga, prenosi Fonet.

    Za neizvršavanje naređenja optuženo je njih 1.648, dok se ostali sumnjiče za druga dela, precizirao je Matios, prenosi Tas.
    Pored toga, 3.200 pripadnika vojske optuženo je za neodobreno napuštanje jedinica, a 10.266 vojnika i oficira je dezertiralo iz vojske, od čega ih je oko 5.000 ostalo na teritoriji Krima.
    Matios je izneo podatak i da je podignuto 118 optužnica protiv 1.468 pripadnika oružanih snaga koji su na drugi način izbegavali obaveze u svojim jedinicama.

    http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/st...h+vojnika.html
    Priroda je lijepa, al' zajebano društvo.

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    Danas u Bjelorusiji će se rješit ... ništa najverovatnije. Evo kakve su pozicije pred današnje pregovore

    MINSK PROTOCOL
    The four sides say any agreement must be based on an agreement reached in Minsk by the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russian separatists they are fighting on Sept. 5 last year. The main points of the 12-point Minsk Protocol, which has failed to go into full force, are:
    - An immediate bilateral ceasefire
    - Withdrawal of illegal armed groups and military equipment as well as fighters and mercenaries from Ukraine
    - Monitoring and verification of the ceasefire by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)
    - Decentralisation of power to the rebel-held regions of Donetsk and Luhansk
    - Monitoring of the Ukrainian-Russian border by the OSCE and the creation of security zones in the border regions
    - Release of all hostages and illegally detained persons
    - Continuation of "inclusive national dialogue"
    - Early local elections in Donetsk and Luhansk
    - A follow-up memorandum signed on Sept. 19 said that both sides should also pull back heavy artillery by 15 kilometres from a frontline defined in the memorandum

    UKRAINE
    Kiev's pro-Western authorities have underlined the following demands in public statements:
    - Any agreement must be based on the demarcation line drawn up under the Minsk agreements
    - There must be a ceasefire and the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the line of confrontation
    - Kiev opposes the "federalisation" of Donetsk and Luhansk regions but is ready to provide more autonomy and respect Russian-language rights in these mainly Russian-speaking regions
    - Kiev wants control of the state border with Russia to stop the flow of Russian fighters and military equipment into Ukraine
    - Kiev wants a complete withdrawal of foreign troops from the territory of Luhansk and Donetsk regions
    - It opposes introduction of a peacekeeping contingent

    RUSSIA
    Russia, which blames the conflict on Kiev and the West, set out its position in a letter from President Vladimir Putin to President Petro Poroshenko this month. The contents have not been made public but Russian officials say:
    - Luhansk and Donetsk must have more autonomy as part of a broader decentralisation of power
    - Kiev must engage in direct dialogue with the rebel regions
    - Russia recognises the territorial integrity of Ukraine
    - Russia rules out handing back Crimea to Ukraine after annexing it last March, citing a referendum which supported such a move
    - Putin also sent a letter to Poroshenko in January which emphasised the need for heavy artillery to be withdrawn from "the actual line of contact", an apparent departure from the Minsk agreements because of rebel territorial gains since September. However, on Jan. 21 the Russian, Ukrainian, German and French foreign ministers agreed in Berlin that the withdrawal should be based on the line agreed in Minsk
    - Russian officials have made clear they want Ukraine to remain neutral and oppose it joining NATO, but have not presented this as a formal condition for a diplomatic solution
    - According to Russia's RIA news agency citing a Russian source, the summit should focus on withdrawing heavy weapons, creating a demilitarised zone and starting contacts between the rebels and Kiev. No document will be signed
    - Russian and foreign media have speculated on Putin's long-term goals for Ukraine. Some say Putin wants a "frozen" or unsolved conflict in the east that allows Russia to retain influence in Ukraine, while others say that his goal is continuing instability to weaken Ukraine's pro-western leaders

    EUROPE
    France and Germany say they are representing Europe and, as such, are united behind one position
    - Both want a diplomatic agreement for a lasting peace accord but Paris in particular has said the time for diplomacy cannot be extended indefinitely
    - Germany and France hold out the threat of more sanctions if there is no peace deal, though the European Union is putting off the next stage of sanctions to give peace a chance
    - France and Germany oppose any supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine, as being discussed by the United States
    - Paris and Germany, with their EU colleagues, say Russia has sent arms and troops to east Ukraine to back the separatists and that Moscow must pull these arms and forces out. Moscow denies the accusations
    - In the event of a deal, Paris does not have any problem in principle with the idea of sending in OSCE observers to monitor demilitarised zones and the withdrawal of heavy arms
    - French officials have not talked in public about whether any future accord should recognise gains made since the first Minsk accord by pro-Russian rebels. The non-negotiable principle is that Ukraine's territorial integrity must be respected even if more decentralisation is possible in the east of the country

    THE REBEL SEPARATISTS
    - Rebel representatives have said that the demarcation line agreed in the Minsk talks is no longer appropriate and that they won't withdraw from their current positions
    - They have also said that an autonomous position or special status inside Ukraine is "unrealistic" and that they seek "independence"
    - They have also emphasised the need for an end to a Ukrainian economic "blockade" of the two regions

    izvor: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0VK4J520150210

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    Sve se svodi na prvi zahtjev predsjednika Francuske ...
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    Олег Ляшко напал на Петра Порошенко в Верховной Раде:

    Mozete li zamisliti da se neko kod nas ovako zaleti na Mila?

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